Plohl Hand Strategy

[speedz99 145]

I refuse to believe that anyone can a. be so bad at pokerand b. defend their play when told by everyone that it was horribleI just don't get it.Stick to pottery. Freakin' DN fanboy...wait a minute...

[turd ferguson 1]

Freakin' DN fanboy...wait a minute...

Bahahaha

[RhinestoneCowboy 2]

There is actually an o/8 calculator. His expected equity is 44.2%DN Fanboy...BHAHBHABHBHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAINTERNETLAUGHINGHAHAHAAH

[kers2 0]

I don't even know where to begin here. Let me fix a few things first. The point of a hi/low game is to give yourself a chance to scoop the entire pot. When you put yourself in a position where you can win only one side your opponnent is essentially frerolling on your for half the pot.

THANK YOUThis is ridiculousness. My head is about to explode. Tantalar you are very fluent in donkspeak. You throw out percentages and numbers but you really have no fucking clue what you're talking about.Trust usAnd dont make pottery. Its gey

c u in 4minutes dan

FYP

[keith crime 8]

From now on all flames on this site should end with

And dont make pottery. Its gey

[rbakken2504 0]

I read an article on one of those full tilt poker "lessons" saying how in PLO8 hands like K10Q8 double suited are very powerful becuase when you hit with them, you arent going to split the pot. First off, you did NOT read a full tilt article saying this, because all pros aren't dumb enough to say KQ108 ds is very powerful in PLO8, its very rare that a pro will play an O8 hand without a low possibility in it. So, please show me this article.Second, when you hit with this hand you're not going to always scoop the pot or even the hi, its very likely that someone can be playing the same high. I don't consider myself a great PLO8 player, but i've seen donkeys that know more about this game than you.

[crimethink_ 0]

I read an article on one of those full tilt poker "lessons" saying how in PLO8 hands like K10Q8 double suited are very powerful becuase when you hit with them, you arent going to split the pot. First off, you did NOT read a full tilt article saying this, because all pros aren't dumb enough to say KQ108 ds is very powerful in PLO8, its very rare that a pro will play an O8 hand without a low possibility in it. So, please show me this article.Second, when you hit with this hand you're not going to always scoop the pot or even the hi, its very likely that someone can be playing the same high. I don't consider myself a great PLO8 player, but i've seen donkeys that know more about this game than you.

This is probably what he's talking about:"Many players undervalue hands that contain four high cards. For example, a hand like K-Q-J-T is a solid Omaha-8 hand. Any flop that has two cards above a 9 will give K-Q-J-T a straight draw, two-pair, or a set. On such a flop, there probably won't be a qualifying low, so there's a great chance to scoop. (In Omaha-8, three of the board cards must be 8 or below for anyone to make a low that can take half the pot.) If the flop has three low cards, you can abandon K-Q-J-T, knowing that it's got essentially no chance to win."From Lesson 43But "solid" is not "very powerful," and KQT8 is not KQJT.

[rbakken2504 0]

This is probably what he's talking about:"Many players undervalue hands that contain four high cards. For example, a hand like K-Q-J-T is a solid Omaha-8 hand. Any flop that has two cards above a 9 will give K-Q-J-T a straight draw, two-pair, or a set. On such a flop, there probably won't be a qualifying low, so there's a great chance to scoop. (In Omaha-8, three of the board cards must be 8 or below for anyone to make a low that can take half the pot.) If the flop has three low cards, you can abandon K-Q-J-T, knowing that it's got essentially no chance to win."From Lesson 43But "solid" is not "very powerful," and KQT8 is not KQJT.

Ah, touche, thanks for clearing that up.

[Tantalar 0]

Poker is a game about making the correct mathematical plays over a long period of time. if I put someone on a hand, and I know full well what they have, then i know that they arent going to be sharing my outs. All over this thread, you all make it sound like theres more than one person to the flop and there arent. If this guy calls me, I know exactly what he has. With anything less, he would have folded (Like I said) The following applies to all forms of poker. I dont know if im giving you guys too much credit, but the basic concept behind the play is that all I have to do is steal the pot certainly no more than 1/10 of the time for it to be a break even play. Regardless of the exact % of the time, it is the same concept as semi bluffing. You try to take down the pot right there. Just like re raising pre flop with AK. you dont WAAANNNTTT to see the flop and gamble with someone who has QQ. But if it comes to it, your 44% to win. You rely on stealing the pot BEFORE the flop to make up for that 6% difference. Thats basically all im trying to explain. Is my play a conservative play? hell no. Is it borderline wreckless? Yeah. I play PLOHL with a borderline wreckless strategy. But there is no way you can bash this play because of what i just explained, and the below statement.my EE is 44% with Ks Qs 10d 8d vs Ah Kh 2h 6h.In holdem...Ad Kh is only 43% against Qd Qs. Are you saying you should start folding AK pre flop because its not close enough to 50/50? I dont think so, I think you raise because they could have AQ or a pocket pair. What next, are we going to start picking on people for trying to bluff someone pre flop with garbage because they trust their read on the person?Heres a link to the article I was talking abouthttp://www.fulltiltpoker.com/proLessons.php?lesson=43"Many players undervalue hands that contain four high cards. For example, a hand like K-Q-J-T is a solid Omaha-8 hand. Any flop that has two cards above a 9 will give K-Q-J-T a straight draw, two-pair, or a set. On such a flop, there probably won't be a qualifying low, so there's a great chance to scoop. (In Omaha-8, three of the board cards must be 8 or below for anyone to make a low that can take half the pot.) If the flop has three low cards, you can abandon K-Q-J-T, knowing that it's got essentially no chance to win." Just goes to show how many of you truely undervalue a hand like KQ108 DS. Being afraid to gamble when your a slight favorite/slight dog is the mark of a bad player. I bet 90% of you are the type of player who check calls/ is afraid to go all in on the flop with an open ended straight flush draw too. Saying it is an aggressive, wreckless play is one thing, but calling it a BAD play is harsh and unacceptable, not to mention foolish. Again, go check the EE and ask yourself "Why do I re raise someone who has QQ when I have AK, and why do i go all in pre flop with it in holdem" its the same basic mathematical concept.

[Habs Fan 0]

if I put someone on a hand, and I know full well what they have

I'm pretty sure you don't full well know anything big guy.Also, you suck at the pottery. Which is appropriate enough I guess, cause it's really gey.

[speedz99 145]

I don't mind putting all my money in preflop in a cash game when I'm an obvious dog.

Good luck to you.

[Tantalar 0]

I don't even know where to begin here. Let me fix a few things first. The point of a hi/low game is to give yourself a chance to scoop the entire pot. When you put yourself in a position where you can win only one side your opponnent is essentially frerolling on your for half the pot. Where exactly did you get that 93% number because it smells like shit.

You are an idiot. A hand like KQ108 DS does not require low cards. If I instead had a hand like 4567 DS your arguement would makse sense. However, the hands needed for my HIGH do NOT correspond with the cards my opponent needs for the LOW. Therefore, Im either going to SCOOP, or im going to LOSE. RARELY will I get Half, VERY RARELY. Just stop and think for a second of how many board combinations allow me to scoop, how many allow him to scoop, and how many time i get half. Then maybe youll realize that the vast majority of the time, Im either going to Scoop, or lose which almost completely eliminates the low factor. the 7% advantage for the high is close to the slight edge of him having the low when i have the high (which is pretty rare)Come on man... its not that complicated

[turd ferguson 1]

You are an idiot. A hand like KQ108 DS does not require low cards. If I instead had a hand like 4567 DS your arguement would makse sense. However, the hands needed for my HIGH do NOT correspond with the cards my opponent needs for the LOW. Therefore, Im either going to SCOOP, or im going to LOSE. RARELY will I get Half, VERY RARELY. Just stop and think for a second of how many board combinations allow me to scoop, how many allow him to scoop, and how many time i get half. Then maybe youll realize that the vast majority of the time, Im either going to Scoop, or lose which almost completely eliminates the low factor. the 7% advantage for the high is close to the slight edge of him having the low when i have the high (which is pretty rare)Come on man... its not that complicated

And exactly how often do you think you're going to scoop this pot, math wiz?

[Tantalar 0]

"I'm pretty sure you don't full well know anything big guy.Also, you suck at the pottery. Which is appropriate enough I guess, cause it's really gey."I came to talk strategy, you came to insult people. You are most likely some fat hairy piece of s hit who weighs 350 pounds, has no life, is a net losing poker player, got abandoned by your wife for your poker losses, and now comes to fullcontactpoker.com to troll the forums. Outside of the forum you are most certainly a nobody. Unproductive to society. A worthless piece of garbage. Your that fa g at the casino who giggles as he check calls pot sized bets with gutshots and flush draws on paired boards.

[kers2 0]

I make pottery for a professional poker player

FYP

[Habs Fan 0]

"I'm pretty sure you don't full well know anything big guy.Also, you suck at the pottery. Which is appropriate enough I guess, cause it's really gey."I came to talk strategy, you came to insult people. You are most likely some fat hairy piece of s hit who weighs 350 pounds, has no life, is a net losing poker player, got abandoned by your wife for your poker losses, and now comes to fullcontactpoker.com to troll the forums. Outside of the forum you are most certainly a nobody. Unproductive to society. A worthless piece of garbage. Your that fa g at the casino who giggles as he check calls pot sized bets with gutshots and flush draws on paired boards.

Are you saying you're not gonna make me some fancy pottery?

[Tantalar 0]

My EE is 44% so I only lose 56% of the time. Having the ability to steal the pot pre flop covers the 6% so it is at worst case a break even play, and mostly a slightly profitable play. Even if by only a few percentages.

[Habs Fan 0]

"I'm pretty sure you don't full well know anything big guy.Also, you suck at the pottery. Which is appropriate enough I guess, cause it's really gey."I came to talk strategy, you came to insult people. You are most likely some fat hairy piece of s hit who weighs 350 pounds, has no life, is a net losing poker player, got abandoned by your wife for your poker losses, and now comes to fullcontactpoker.com to troll the forums. Outside of the forum you are most certainly a nobody. Unproductive to society. A worthless piece of garbage. Your that fa g at the casino who giggles as he check calls pot sized bets with gutshots and flush draws on paired boards.

Also, there's no poker at my casino so you're obviously wrong about me.

[kers2 0]

I bet if we interviewed the guy with AA26 he would be laughing at you

[turd ferguson 1]

I came to talk strategy, you came to insult people. You are most likely some fat hairy piece of s hit who weighs 350 pounds, has no life, is a net losing poker player, got abandoned by your wife for your poker losses, and now comes to fullcontactpoker.com to troll the forums. Outside of the forum you are most certainly a nobody. Unproductive to society. A worthless piece of garbage. Your that fa g at the casino who giggles as he check calls pot sized bets with gutshots and flush draws on paired boards.

I'm convinced that anybody who uses poker references in real life insults has never had sex.

FYP

Pretty much sums it up.

My EE is 44% so I only lose 56% of the time. Having the ability to steal the pot pre flop covers the 6% so it is at worst case a break even play, and mostly a slightly profitable play. Even if by only a few percentages.

You realize that you're only going to scoop about 25% of the time right?

[RhinestoneCowboy 2]

When I have AK vs QQ I may be 43% to win, but I don't rereraise with it either. You were pushing with your garbage in a game where you would most definately want to see the flop.Pottery is like a rainbow flag that you can't carry around with you.

[Habs Fan 0]

I'm a ceramic artist, and I made you something out of clay. Its a really nice vase, and because your my favorite poker player, and this site is awesome, I thought it would be an honor to make you something really nice. How should I send it to you?

[LadyGrey 6]

I came to talk strategy, you came to insult people. You are most likely some fat hairy piece of s hit who weighs 350 pounds, has no life, is a net losing poker player, got abandoned by your wife for your poker losses, and now comes to fullcontactpoker.com to troll the forums. Outside of the forum you are most certainly a nobody. Unproductive to society. A worthless piece of garbage. Your that fa g at the casino who giggles as he check calls pot sized bets with gutshots and flush draws on paired boards.

What was so strategic about that lengthy diatribe? Calm down, and step away from the 'reply' button.

[keith crime 8]

And dont make pottery. Its gey

[turd ferguson 1]

Pottery is like a rainbow flag that you can't carry around with you.

I'm a ceramic artist, and I made you something out of clay. Its a really nice vase, and because your my favorite poker player, and this site is awesome, I thought it would be an honor to make you something really nice. How should I send it to you?

Ahahahaha! You guys are freakin brutal.