Prtypsux Pwns

[tskillz187 0]

Ya I understand, I just think he's giving a player he knows of, (doesnt know personally) too much credit.I've given players i kinda know credit before and its burned me.

This didn't burn Roothlus though, what did he lose total? 350? And if he called he would have gotten 350 back? I mean what can PrtyPsux put roothlus on? At WORST JJ-AA and AK and I think that range is veryyyyy liberal for early on with a reraise from UTG. I think the raise to 350 is brilliant he loses the minimum whenever PrtyPsux pushes. Why is it wrong for him to put a raise in and then say in his mind, okay if he pushes over the top of this I fold? He knows that a push over the top indicates most likely AA. Calling off his whole stack in a case where hes likely a 4:1 dog, and at best chopping seems pretty horrible to me.

[....Ian.... 0]

I think its fine.dude put him on AA or KK (7 possible hands)tied with one, 81-19 to 6equity 11.9% and folds.

[Suited_Up 2]

No, someone would've 4 flushed. It's stars.

[Wingmaster05 0]

No, someone would've 4 flushed. It's stars.

well if they played on FT they would've hit a king on the flop, so there.

[Royal_Tour 0]

I think its fine.dude put him on AA or KK (7 possible hands)

7 possible variations.only 2 hands, u either have aces or kings, kings are less likely because he holds 2 of the 4,

[Royal_Tour 0]

This didn't burn Roothlus though, what did he lose total? 350? And if he called he would have gotten 350 back? I mean what can PrtyPsux put roothlus on? At WORST JJ-AA and AK and I think that range is veryyyyy liberal for early on with a reraise from UTG. I think the raise to 350 is brilliant he loses the minimum whenever PrtyPsux pushes. Why is it wrong for him to put a raise in and then say in his mind, okay if he pushes over the top of this I fold? He knows that a push over the top indicates most likely AA. Calling off his whole stack in a case where hes likely a 4:1 dog, and at best chopping seems pretty horrible to me.

umm i dont know about you, but when i do math, i usually factor in the required info.soo my calculations tell me he loses 600 with a fold.but hey, what do i knowP.S. the whole point of my side was that he is giving him all this credit and puts him on AA, I gave Gov credit, and then he called pot size bets with 3,3 to the river.LOL. J/S

[Wandigo 1]

ugh u didnt see that did YOU???lol the $300 tourney, w/e I was busting no matter what. But how bout my blow up in the $ 150

Yep, saw em both.. 27 people made the money and I was pretty positive you were making it through then BAM, 29th.. And in the $150, I guess the cards were just against you the whole time

[10'sorbetter 0]

well if they played on FT they would've hit a king on the flop, so there.

Can't hit another "K"..they both have KK

[Royal_Tour 0]

Ok. heres a question.i like this thread so i wanna keep it going.What is this 300.00 to roothlus, and what is it to Party??If you're in roothlus' shoes, and you play these 300.00 buy-ins daily, or if 300 is a bit lower than your normal buy in, do you make this call?what if its the WSOP ME and you saved up your cash to play, is it now an easy fold?I'm not gonna lie, that my views are based on the idea that its an online tourney, and i'm playing well within my BR so busting is not a big deal.

[MasterLJ 0]

Can't hit another "K"..they both have KK

Humor is wasted on the ignorant.

[RDog 0]

Did you not read what Roothlus wrote? He had a very strong read that Prty would only play his hand this way if he held KK or AA. Since there is only 1 way to make KK and 6 ways to make AA, he was actually a massive underdog to Prty's range, and therefore folding is correct. This is not hard.

Oh, I see, you are the resident pro on what is and isn't hard? If you think laying down the second best starting hand there, is an easy decision, you are crazy. Just because someone is a good player it makes the decision correct? My point was that I think the way the hand played out that Aces are much less likely in that situation. Or am I the only person here that if I am Prty and I have Aces that I just call the re-raise? I DON'T move in with Aces. I don't know much about how Prty plays but I don't think he is so tight that he would only come over the top with those hands here. I'm with Royal, I would only consider laying down Kings if it was more than 1 person in the pot and there has been significant strength shown, where moving in with Aces makes more sense to get isolated on only 1 player. Unless he plays with Prty daily I don't see how his range only includes Aces and Kings....and even then.

[mk 11]

Oh, I see, you are the resident pro on what is and isn't hard?

When the topic in question is reading comprehension I feel confident in saying it isn't hard.

[thrillsoft 0]

huh??I've laid down kings preflop., once and it was similar to this situation, except there was a 3rd partya preflop limp from EP, a raise, my re-raise, Limp pushes, raise calls., i fold.it was AA vs junk, I'm saying in HU, back and forth,. roothlus probably had the mind set to fold if PPsux pushes, which he even types out and explains, I put him on AA if he pushes.

This is the exact situation I folded them before too. Sometimes, you just KNOW.

[Petoria 0]

7 possible variations.only 2 hands, u either have aces or kings, kings are less likely because he holds 2 of the 4,

I'm not sure if you were disagreeing with ...Ian...'s number, but there are 7 variations.4 C 2 + 2 C 2 = 7(C = choose) (4C2 for the 4 Aces, how many distinct ways are there to choose 2 if order doesnt matter) (2 C 2 for the 2 remaining K's, how many distinct ways are there to choose 2 if order doesnt matte)

[Royal_Tour 0]

I'm not sure if you were disagreeing with ...Ian...'s number, but there are 7 variations.4 C 2 + 2 C 2 = 7(C = choose) (4C2 for the 4 Aces, how many distinct ways are there to choose 2 if order doesnt matter) (2 C 2 for the 2 remaining K's, how many distinct ways are there to choose 2 if order doesnt matte)

yes, variations, not hands, you cant have 6 hands of AA, you can only have 2, but there is 6 different combinations.It just sounded like he was saying it was 6:1

[Butcho22 0]

This is the exact situation I folded them before too. Sometimes, you just KNOW.

The only time you can ever KNOW you are up against aces, is if there are mulitple all ins before you...and at least two of those all ins are from very healthy stacks compared to the field. Then, and only then, could you say you even come close to KNOWING you're against aces. Bottom line....you ready???Roothlus makes more money here in the long run if he calls in this spot...

[NicksDad1970 0]

I agree with what Royal Tour was saying. If you play in 300 buy ins daily then you might say "screw the small possiblity that he has AA" and go all in. If you normally play in smaller ones then it might be different.Just last night I was playing in a 5$ 3 table SNG and I had 3500 in chips with pretty small blinds and I CALLED a 1000 all in bet with 4-5h. I was bored and when I won the hand I told the others it was a misclick. I agree I can be pathetic. I think it's great that someone can be that confident in their reads to be able to lay down KK. I was blown away when little nickey layed down QQ in that WSOP circuit event.

[Butcho22 0]

I agree with what Royal Tour was saying. If you play in 300 buy ins daily then you might say "screw the small possiblity that he has AA" and go all in. If you normally play in smaller ones then it might be different.Just last night I was playing in a 5$ 3 table SNG and I had 3500 in chips with pretty small blinds and I CALLED a 1000 all in bet with 4-5h. I was bored and when I won the hand I told the others it was a misclick. I agree I can be pathetic. I think it's great that someone can be that confident in their reads to be able to lay down KK. I was blown away when little nickey layed down QQ in that WSOP circuit event.

so different....

[NicksDad1970 0]

so different....

I realize a 10k buy in is much more than a 300 buy in on the internet. But if you have 3 million in the bank and I have 100 is there a difference in what 50 dollars means to each of us?But anyway I agree it's totally different. But I was still blown away at how fast little nickey folded.

[astros11ss 0]

THAT'S RESPECT, SON

[Butcho22 0]

I realize a 10k buy in is much more than a 300 buy in on the internet. But if you have 3 million in the bank and I have 100 is there a difference in what 50 dollars means to each of us?But anyway I agree it's totally different. But I was still blown away at how fast little nickey folded.

I wasn't talking about the buy in...

[PrtyPSux 0]

Ok. heres a question.i like this thread so i wanna keep it going.What is this 300.00 to roothlus, and what is it to Party??If you're in roothlus' shoes, and you play these 300.00 buy-ins daily, or if 300 is a bit lower than your normal buy in, do you make this call?what if its the WSOP ME and you saved up your cash to play, is it now an easy fold?I'm not gonna lie, that my views are based on the idea that its an online tourney, and i'm playing well within my BR so busting is not a big deal.

The fact that its an online tourney SHOULD make a huge difference in wether or not to fold, online tourneys dont usually give you enough room to make big laydowns.However, in this case I think it was a correct fold. Not anything you can beat, simple as that.

[Butcho22 0]

The fact that its an online tourney SHOULD make a huge difference in wether or not to fold, online tourneys dont usually give you enough room to make big laydowns.However, in this case I think it was a correct fold. Not anything you can beat, simple as that.

I would think you are a good enough player that your range here is wider than AA....TERRIBLE FOLD

[NicksDad1970 0]

I wasn't talking about the buy in...

So are you one of those people that won't explain themselves unless you're served with a subpoena?I guess all I was trying to say was (1) I'm impressed with people's ability to lay down huge hands PF (2) for me the size of the buy in would have some bearing on my decision making.

[Butcho22 0]

So are you one of those people that won't explain themselves unless you're served with a subpoena?I guess all I was trying to say was (1) I'm impressed with people's ability to lay down huge hands PF (2) for me the size of the buy in would have some bearing on my decision making.

Nothing more needs to be said....read the entire threadROOTHLUS MAKES MORE MONEY IN THE LONG RUN BY CALLING HERE. I don't care what anybody says...there is no way that PrtyPsux only uses this exact line with AA