"dude I Could've Sworn My Ten High Was Good."

[SilentButDeadly3 0]

Well before I dive into my story, I would like to give you a little rundown about who I am. I'm an 18 year old college student who had a decent sized bankroll for an 18 year old. I had started out in online poker like many others, seeing the commercials and hearing x player won the main event with a $1 satellite from Poker Stars, etc. I figured, I was one of the better players in my friendly home game, why can't I win some moolah on online poker? So I deposited $50, the minimum when I was 17 (omg underageaments). I lost it pretty quickly. I deposited $50 again and lost in a span of 3 days. Now $100 is nothing to sneeze at for a 17 year old so I quickly invested in some poker books. Low and behold I became a decent player. I re-deposited $100 and ended up running it up to around $1200 after a "big" $800 score. Obviously being 17 I couldn't cash out and unfortunately, I felt like I could take on the world and was playing $100 MTT's with my $1200 roll and quickly went busto. Luckily, for whatever reason, I transferred $100 to a seperate account just for this specific instance so I wouldn't have to re-deposit. There I built it up to around $800 before I went on a massive tilting spree and ended up sitting all but $59.43 at a cash game and lost when my top two fell victim to the dreaded open ended straight draw.Needless to say, losing a decent chunk of change twice now at my age was pretty....devastating to say the least. Luckily, it was just "numbers on the screen" and not actually real money or at least that's what I tried to tell myself. Fast forward a year and I turned that $59.43 into just short of $5000 using very strict bankroll management. I was determined never to go bust again. I cashed out around $4000 along the way. I don't really consider myself that great of a player, but I think that using the minimum of a 50 buy-in rule for SNG's, 80 buy-in rule for cash games and 150 buy-in rule for MTT's really helped me handle the swings. I played primarily $30-$50 SNG's and $26 MTT's. I satellited my way into around 12 Sunday Majors, including the FTOPS III Main Event, unfortunately with no cashes in any. (AA < A3o AIPF on the bubble obv when we were both pretty decent stacked, runners 4 the straight nice... http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...bble&st=20).Well, I was on my way up, and my goal was to have $20,000 by this time next year and start to play some of the majors. That was until I met a friend we'll call "Sam." I met Sam at the beginning of the year while at college and he and I had grown to be pretty good friends. Eventually, Sam found me playing online poker one night after I had finished doing some homework and he was immediately hooked. Funny enough, I had "hooked" around 10-15 of my friends to online poker. I would watch them play their $1 SNG's and help them giving them the basic strategy, tight early, aggressive late. They would do very well when being watched by me, but their Sharkscopes indicate they severely declined when playing on their own. I am one sick S.O.B. for getting so many people addicted. So anyway Sam created a Full Tilt account just like all my other friends and I transferred him $5-$20 just like everyone else and he would pay me the money in cash. Well, eventually, I guess I hit the limit for transfers (according to Full Tilt) as I had done this with many people, like I said. Sam was really striving to get better but you can only do so much with $5-$20. Eventually, Sam went busto and wanted to keep playing. Unfortunately, I couldn't transfer any more and I refused to dump money because I didn't want my account frozen. So I allowed Sam to play under my account. I used an excel I got off of FCP and it was very detailed and I knew what my roll was at all times and whatever was missing or whatever was added I would give him or take from him. Oh what a mistake this was. I should've just told him no, but I felt really bad for the guy. He got it in 4 straight times as an 80/20 fave and lost each one to go busto when I was watching him. Unfortunately, I'm a huge sucker and feel bad for people all too often.Well, needless to say. Sam lost a couple $1 SNG's to bad beats and decided to chase his losses at the $5 SNG's. Then at the $10, then $20, then $50. Then at one point he was down $750 (all the while I'm in class) and he decides to sit down at some $2/$4. He got mopped up to say the least in a half hour and he was down ~$3600 according to his Poker Tracker before Sam went to class. It was at this time he changed the password. I got back from class and when I got to my dorm I decided to check on Sam's progress. Needless to say, I couldn't log in as my password was incorrect. I texted Sam and he said he was "Just trying to scare me" but he said he was down like $20. Which was no big deal as my friends and I do this kind of stuff all the time to scare each other and mess with eachother. I trusted Sam and I didn't think he would lie to me. Well, later I call Sam because I was done with homework and I wanted to play so I asked him for the password. He didn't answer my call. So I decide to log on Full Tilt as an observer and low and behold, my account is online. What's this? Playing 5/10? What the hell? He was sitting with ~$900 when I got there. I log on aim and he's on so I IM him. He blocks me. Ok. So I call him again and text him to no reply. Then I see him CALL an overbet all in on a AQQA3 board after the flop and turn go check check. The other guy had QQ and Sam has T9s. To which I would later hear a "Dude I could've sworn my Ten high was good." Needless to say, Sam had sat at the table with the remainder of MY bankroll and I go bustooo. The one thing I've been trying to avoid. Well after Sam had been crying to me about how sorry he was and how much of an idiot he was, he is paying me back in $200 weekly installments from his job until he pays me completely back along with $500 in interest. So I guess it's like a cash out in a way. Meanwhile, I was completely busto for online poker. No way to re-deposit and not wanting to sign up for myWebATM or epassporte, I was done with online poker. 'Til one of you sick s.o.b.'s said you can deposit with pre-paid visa Gift2Go card at Walgreens. Guess who's back motha truckkkkaaaazzzzz. Unfortunately, I still don't know the password to my old account so I had to make a new one. And all my FT points are rotting.Am I mad about it? Of course. Am I mad at Sam? A little. Am I more mad at myself? Obviously. I'm a sucker who feels bad for people and I end up biting the bullet a majority of the time when I try to help them out. And Sam has seen a therapist/psychologist/whatever for his gambling problem and he won't be coming with my friends and I when we trek up to Minnesota to hit the tables (18 there to gamble yaaaaay).I'm semi-wasted and I think my spelling is perfect throughout this thread. I will probably regret this in the morning and I don't know why I typed this out. Goot night all! :bubble_bye:And I feel sorry for any of you who read through all that.

[GrinderMJ 0]

That's so sick. Ya, don't let people have access to your account. (Although I am a hypocrite, I can think of about 4 people I have let play on my accounts before : ( )

[derek_pizzle 0]

Good read. So do you think I can log onto your account and you can teach me the ropes. I swear this is legit.

[litlebullet 0]

that's a great warning for over-trusting suckers like me too, sorry for your loss of a friend.

[cwik 0]

This sounds like the Bandi Hawbaker story. Did Sam you put your penis on Sam's back?

[Fluffdog87 2]

Sick story sir.At least you're hopefully going to get your money back from him.Gl at the tables.

[Moneyball16 0]

wow. I would beat the livivng **** out of Sam and Im not a beat the living **** of out x guy.

[Chris E 0]

wow. I would beat the livivng **** out of Sam

Mate, as soon as you get all your money back stomp his ****ing face into the gutter.

[Figger 0]

Good read and a good warning to people.Why don't you just ask Sam what the password is...Or e-mail FT and tell them that you forgot your password and they will change it and e-mail you the new one.

[Jordan 1]

12 User(s) are reading this topic (9 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)3 Members: Jordan, SamC489, Azwethinkweizorly hi sam- Jordan

[nutzbuster 7]

I lol'd.

[Jordan 1]

cut/paste in the bbv forum on 2+2- Jordanoh and sorry. that really sux.

[thehidden 0]

that sucks! it's good that he's getting help!Like grinder was saying, my brother and maybe one forum member here are the only people i would trust wtih my accounts

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

Wow.You have poor judgment.

[BeaverStyle 1]

I'd beat the living crap out of him.... he knew what he was doing was wrong, which is why he blocked you on AIM, wouldn't answer your phone calls or texts... etc.Well, at least you're getting him to pay you back. Friends are the hardest person to get owed money back from... Lesson learned, I guess.

[farmist 0]

Did he forget the password he changed? Just ask him and THEN beat the Annie Dukie out of him.

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

I'd beat the living crap out of him.... he knew what he was doing was wrong, which is why he blocked you on AIM, wouldn't answer your phone calls or texts... etc.Well, at least you're getting him to pay you back. Friends are the hardest person to get owed money back from... Lesson learned, I guess.

I'd set the over/under on number of actual payments to reimbures at 2......and I'm taking the under.Any "Friend" who'd pull this stunt isn't exactly the perfect candidate for a long term payment plan. He obviouslt doesn't value the relationship, his reputation, nor even the "cash value" of the on-lines funds.Good luck with that.

[11 to 1 0]

Well before I dive into my story, I would like to give you a little rundown about who I am. I'm an 18 year old college student ....

Well done, with the writing. Now, time to stop feeling badly about it all. This is about learning lessons and the best part is the above: you are 18 years old. And, you seem to be a good guy with a lot of talent and, considering how you adjusted your bankroll management, very smart about applying those life lessons.This was a good but expensive one but it teaches you this: be generous with your time and knowledge with those who respect that and take it seriously. But - no one gave you money. Money is the key - it's what we must become desensitized to, how we keep score, what we also must respect. If people won't invest in themselves, why should you? They need to read the books, do the work, open their own accounts. They need to find and play with, lose and win on their own. You buy them a meal if they get real broke, give advice if they ask, you don't give them money. When you rebuild your bankroll, and you will, respect and protect yourself and your work. If you want to give, find a charity you like. If you want to teach, host some poker clinics that people pay for, even if it's just a few dollars. And you have to tell FT what happened, this guy has not only your money, but your name.

[ibuddy 0]

you need to get that in a contract, I doubt he will pay you in full, had a similiar incident, after about the 5th payment he will stop paying you. Take some collateral

[blacktie31 0]

tell sam i'll get him his cut of YOUR money as soon as schools out and he quits paying you. sw

[donk4life 34]

I must say that I do feel for you, you were just being a very trustworthy friend.However, you're also an idiot..I don't care how good of friends you are with someone, I don't even care if you've had a three some with your best friend and his girlfriend, don't ever give him your password, and I only hope that he pays you back, I'd get a contract if I were you.

[RunGoodBeats 0]

I think you may be disappointed when you come up here to MN to play. Looking to play some NL? Limit only in MN, other than tournaments.Canterbury Card Club's SnG's are 55+5 and 100 each, and you start with 300 in chips. Yes, 300 in chips. 11x$25, 5x$5 chips. They do have tournaments that look well structured on weekends, starting at around $235/150 people, and higher.Treasure Island has two weekly tournaments, for $100+10 and $50+5, 100 and 50 people respectively. Half the people in the tournament are regulars on a first name basis with the 6 dealers who deal in the poker room (they only have 1-3 tables open at a time, even with an interest list of 12 people for a new game) and the other half have to ask where there seat number is. I played in the $50+5 yesterday and was busted in the third orbit of the button with AK, tptk, by a man who called an all in on the turn with a flush draw and hit. The guy asked where seat 10 was when he checked in.If you play any limit at Canterbury, don't play less than 6/12. You will want to gauge your eyes out. One of my favorite examples is from a 3/6 table a few months ago. Guy to my left raises PF with Aces, to his left A7 reraises, and to his left 910o reraises. 910o was a kid around 18 years old, who looked like a complete tool, and would often stare you down with his goofy *** face. When it's capped at 5 bets, AA to my left openly says he has aces. Flop 762 rainbow. Aces bets, A7 calls, 910o raises. This round is continued to be raises and capped, all three(!) stay in the hand. Turn 7. Aces bets, A7 raises, 910o rereaises. They all stay in the hand, and it is capped. River 8. Aces bets, A7 reraises, 910o reraises. AA says hes too frustrated and calls the raises where it is capped again. They all show their hands, and I stared at the 910o and laughed. He thought I was laughing with him, and laughed too. The AA guy called him a donkey, and the kid in his defense said in a completely serious way, "I knew you had Aces from the beginning." AA replied, "Then WTF were you doing capping it preflop?" 910o kid replies, "910o is statistically even against Aces." Few hands later the kid racked up his score and left after being there for about 30 minutes.I hate Minnesota.

[Dr_Jeff 0]

I won't even tell my wife my password. It's the only money I have that is safe from her!!!

[Dabs45 1]

good read. maaaaaaaaaaaaan that sucks, but are you still calling him your friend???

[SilentButDeadly3 0]

Thanks all for your replies. I didn't want to post this but my judgement was slightly impaired last night and for whatever reason I typed this up when I got home. I know it was stupid of me, but for whatever reason I am a sucker and I usually give people too many chances.I still consider "Sam" a friend, because I know what it feels like when you're losing and it is waaaay too easy to tilt online. I just don't consider him one of my better friends anymore. I definitely won't be giving anyone my password to my account anymore and I doubt I'll even transfer my friends money anymore. Although someone will probably want me to and eventually they'll probably talk me into it. "Sam" and I do have a contract and his parents know what he did as they were the ones who made him see a therapist.And to the guy who posted about Minnesota gambling. I know it's only limit but they have spread limit at some places (TI, Grand Casino, etc) which isn't too bad. I remember my first trip to Canterbury I got raped by the 1/2 and 2/4 games because I hadn't played limit before and I was getting chased down with everything and they were hitting. I don't see how anyone can make money from the 1/2 and 2/4 games. But the 4/8 limits aren't so bad. Thanks for all the replies, guys. Hope somebody can learn from this.