bdc30 0 Posted May 7, 2007 Author Share Posted May 7, 2007 why is it that at 15/30 blinds the normal preflop raise is over 200?Here's why. Look at what a "normal" raise gets.PokerStars Game #9797301503: Tournament #49716611, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/05/07 - 16:48:25 (ET)Table '49716611 13' 9-max Seat #4 is the buttonSeat 1: mmtag (2420 in chips) Seat 2: modesty1 (525 in chips) Seat 3: berkscher (3365 in chips) Seat 4: Borys313 (2725 in chips) Seat 5: bdcfcp (1360 in chips) Seat 6: SHADY_BILLY (1270 in chips) Seat 8: dr. jekyl (1420 in chips) Seat 9: edmtpearl (3395 in chips) bdcfcp: posts small blind 15SHADY_BILLY: posts big blind 30*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to bdcfcp [Kc Ah]dr. jekyl: folds edmtpearl: calls 30mmtag: calls 30modesty1: folds berkscher: calls 30Borys313: folds bdcfcp: raises 120 to 150SHADY_BILLY: calls 120edmtpearl: calls 120mmtag: calls 120berkscher: calls 120*** FLOP *** [Jh 4c 4d] Link to post Share on other sites
BeaverStyle 1 Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 sick fold gametymer Link to post Share on other sites
obizee 0 Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Gl everyone!BTW I shipped to Fitzinabox and have not heard from him or seen him on forum, this makes me sadAll is good he sent me a message. Link to post Share on other sites
Snamuh 0 Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 My table is so weak:PokerStars Game #9797297224: Tournament #49716611, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/05/07 - 16:48:09 (ET)Table '49716611 14' 9-max Seat #6 is the buttonSeat 1: XTedForrestX (1540 in chips) Seat 2: Staart01 (3960 in chips) Seat 3: RJS Bucket (900 in chips) Seat 4: popol13 (1745 in chips) Seat 5: rastrev (1520 in chips) Seat 6: DreadLocked (1660 in chips) Seat 7: SeungOh1 (2485 in chips) Seat 8: Snamuh (2170 in chips) SeungOh1: posts small blind 15Snamuh: posts big blind 30*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Snamuh [Kd 3c]XTedForrestX: folds Staart01: folds RJS Bucket: folds popol13: folds rastrev: folds DreadLocked: folds SeungOh1: raises 30 to 60Snamuh: calls 30*** FLOP *** [8h Qs Kc]SeungOh1: bets 90Snamuh: calls 90*** TURN *** [8h Qs Kc] [9d]SeungOh1: bets 150Snamuh: calls 150*** RIVER *** [8h Qs Kc 9d] [5d]SeungOh1: checks Snamuh: bets 300SeungOh1: calls 300*** SHOW DOWN ***Snamuh: shows [Kd 3c] (a pair of Kings)SeungOh1: mucks hand Snamuh collected 1200 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 1200 | Rake 0 Board [8h Qs Kc 9d 5d]Seat 1: XTedForrestX folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: Staart01 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: RJS Bucket folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: popol13 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: rastrev folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: DreadLocked (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: SeungOh1 (small blind) mucked [Qc Ts]Seat 8: Snamuh (big blind) showed [Kd 3c] and won (1200) with a pair of KingsPokerStars Game #9797330345: Tournament #49716611, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/05/07 - 16:50:19 (ET)Table '49716611 14' 9-max Seat #8 is the buttonSeat 1: XTedForrestX (1900 in chips) Seat 2: Staart01 (3960 in chips) Seat 3: RJS Bucket (900 in chips) Seat 4: popol13 (1715 in chips) Seat 5: rastrev (1520 in chips) Seat 6: DreadLocked (1660 in chips) Seat 7: SeungOh1 (1855 in chips) Seat 8: Snamuh (2470 in chips) Seat 9: bobthomas24 (2600 in chips) out of hand (moved from another table into small blind)XTedForrestX: posts small blind 15Staart01: posts big blind 30*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Snamuh [Jh Th]RJS Bucket: folds popol13: folds rastrev: folds DreadLocked: folds SeungOh1: calls 30Snamuh: calls 30XTedForrestX: raises 90 to 120Staart01: folds SeungOh1: calls 90Snamuh: calls 90*** FLOP *** [6h 6s 8c]XTedForrestX: checks SeungOh1: checks Snamuh: bets 220XTedForrestX: folds SeungOh1: folds Snamuh collected 390 from potSnamuh: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY ***Total pot 390 | Rake 0 Board [6h 6s 8c]Seat 1: XTedForrestX (small blind) folded on the FlopSeat 2: Staart01 (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 3: RJS Bucket folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: popol13 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: rastrev folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: DreadLocked folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: SeungOh1 folded on the FlopSeat 8: Snamuh (button) collected (390) Link to post Share on other sites
AAsnake88 0 Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Here's why. Look at what a "normal" raise gets.Sounds familiar:*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to AAsnake88 [Ts Th]youngo1den: folds AAsnake88: raises 90 to 120tinker47: calls 120clingfree: folds leo7689: calls 120spxdes: calls 120nxm37: calls 120smilingatyou: folds Loz1968: foldsLOL SHOVEAMENTS coming soon.... Link to post Share on other sites
StupidKid 0 Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Genuinely so standard....PokerStars Game #9797382410: Tournament #49716611, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/05/07 - 16:53:46 (ET)Table '49716611 3' 9-max Seat #3 is the buttonSeat 1: stupidkid888 (3115 in chips) Seat 2: gregasfr (635 in chips) Seat 3: Davorpower (1920 in chips) Seat 4: manx_money (410 in chips) Seat 5: Luppo02 (1430 in chips) Seat 6: Beaverstyle (2955 in chips) Seat 7: dagvandrer (365 in chips) Seat 8: netinho58 (4140 in chips) Seat 9: cramble1 (4260 in chips) manx_money: posts small blind 15Luppo02: posts big blind 30*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to stupidkid888 [Qs Qc]Beaverstyle: folds dagvandrer: raises 335 to 365 and is all-innetinho58: folds cramble1: calls 365stupidkid888: raises 2750 to 3115 and is all-ingregasfr: folds Davorpower: folds manx_money: folds Luppo02: folds cramble1: calls 2750*** FLOP *** [4c 5d 4d]*** TURN *** [4c 5d 4d] [Ks]*** RIVER *** [4c 5d 4d Ks] [5c]stupidkid888 said, "nh gg"*** SHOW DOWN ***cramble1: shows [Jd Kh] (two pair, Kings and Fives)stupidkid888: shows [Qs Qc] (two pair, Queens and Fives)cramble1 collected 5500 from side potdagvandrer: shows [7d As] (two pair, Fives and Fours)Beaverstyle said, "sick"cramble1 collected 1140 from main pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 6640 Main pot 1140. Side pot 5500. | Rake 0 Board [4c 5d 4d Ks 5c]Seat 1: stupidkid888 showed [Qs Qc] and lost with two pair, Queens and FivesSeat 2: gregasfr folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: Davorpower (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: manx_money (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 5: Luppo02 (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 6: Beaverstyle folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: dagvandrer showed [7d As] and lost with two pair, Fives and FoursSeat 8: netinho58 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: cramble1 showed [Jd Kh] and won (6640) with two pair, Kings and FivesEDIT: Ty for stake, I cudda reraised and shoved flop - MEH BBFIDTS - GL to all left in, someone TID/bust cramble1? Link to post Share on other sites
bdc30 0 Posted May 7, 2007 Author Share Posted May 7, 2007 *** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Snamuh [Kd 3c]SeungOh1: raises 30 to 60Snamuh: calls 30 REPOP that shizzzz son. Don't you know how to play the krab? I hope you at least did the pinch dance. Link to post Share on other sites
bpope44 0 Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 im tearing it up in 87th place. I haven't had 1 playable hand! Link to post Share on other sites
suicideking 0 Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Table 4 with ondadraw now. Link to post Share on other sites
Snamuh 0 Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 REPOP that shizzzz son. Don't you know how to play the krab? I hope you at least did the pinch dance.Normally I would. I'm playing a bit more passive preflop early on so I can take advantage of my postflop game. Link to post Share on other sites
fitzinabox 0 Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 i missed the original barragement =( in a 4.40 now as obizee's horsey Link to post Share on other sites
bpope44 0 Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Table 4 with ondadraw now.table has been real weak so far - i just haven't had any hands Link to post Share on other sites
bdc30 0 Posted May 7, 2007 Author Share Posted May 7, 2007 BOOMSAUCE--SHIPPPPPP IT. Oh - and here's WHY you raise to ~200 when it's 15/30 with KK. Priced in prefloppaments.Poker StarsNo Limit Holdem TournamentBlinds: t15/t309 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: t3185UTG+1: t3185MP1: t1365MP2: t3200MP3: t2680Hero: t1600Button: t1165SB: t2825BB: t1555Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is CO with 6 6 UTG raises to t90, UTG+1 calls t90 (pot was t135), MP1 calls t90 (pot was t225), MP2 calls t90 (pot was t315), MP3 folds, Hero calls t90 (pot was t405), 2 folds, BB calls t60 (pot was t495).Flop: J 4 6 (t555, 6 players)BB checks, UTG bets t300, UTG+1 calls t300 (pot was t855), 2 folds, Hero raises all-in t1510, BB folds, UTG calls t1210 (pot was t2665), UTG+1 folds.Turn: T (t3875, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t3875)River: 3 (t3875, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t3875)Results:Final pot: t3875UTG showed Kh Kd Link to post Share on other sites
Snamuh 0 Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Sweet pot bdc! Link to post Share on other sites
obizee 0 Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Genuinely so standard....That sucks man. These are minefields for sure. Thanks for the effort Lee just likes to reward stupidity sometimes Link to post Share on other sites
bpope44 0 Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 BOOMSAUCE--SHIPPPPPP IT. Oh - and here's WHY you raise to ~200 when it's 15/30 with KK. Priced in prefloppaments.Poker StarsNo Limit Holdem TournamentBlinds: t15/t309 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: t3185UTG+1: t3185MP1: t1365MP2: t3200MP3: t2680Hero: t1600Button: t1165SB: t2825BB: t1555Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is CO with 6 6 UTG raises to t90, UTG+1 calls t90 (pot was t135), MP1 calls t90 (pot was t225), MP2 calls t90 (pot was t315), MP3 folds, Hero calls t90 (pot was t405), 2 folds, BB calls t60 (pot was t495).Flop: J 4 6 (t555, 6 players)BB checks, UTG bets t300, UTG+1 calls t300 (pot was t855), 2 folds, Hero raises all-in t1510, BB folds, UTG calls t1210 (pot was t2665), UTG+1 folds.Turn: T (t3875, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t3875)River: 3 (t3875, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t3875)Results:Final pot: t3875UTG showed Kh KdMake your move!!! Link to post Share on other sites
AAsnake88 0 Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Took me long enough.GL. Link to post Share on other sites
suicideking 0 Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 table has been real weak so far - i just haven't had any handsYeah, nothing real playable yet. Link to post Share on other sites
Ukosumu 0 Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Wow!!! all these stakes floating around this afternoon. (and I missed it).GL everyone ... here is to everyone making mobney!!!! <<<Raises glass>>> Link to post Share on other sites
bpope44 0 Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Yeah, nothing real playable yet.What did you just have? Link to post Share on other sites
suicideking 0 Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 What did you just have?AK Link to post Share on other sites
bdungy22 0 Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Just wanted to be part of the madness... GL ALL Link to post Share on other sites
bpope44 0 Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 AKNice - too bad you couldn't get more action after you turned top 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Snamuh 0 Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Weird Hand:PokerStars Game #9797562057: Tournament #49716611, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/05/07 - 17:05:39 (ET)Table '49716611 14' 9-max Seat #8 is the buttonSeat 2: Staart01 (4395 in chips) Seat 3: RJS Bucket (1857 in chips) Seat 4: popol13 (1695 in chips) Seat 5: rastrev (3785 in chips) Seat 6: moussa75 (2128 in chips) Seat 7: SeungOh1 (715 in chips) Seat 8: Snamuh (2650 in chips) Seat 9: Ragulaboy (3470 in chips) Ragulaboy: posts small blind 25Staart01: posts big blind 50*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Snamuh [Kc 6c]RJS Bucket: folds popol13: calls 50rastrev: folds moussa75: raises 50 to 100SeungOh1: folds Snamuh: folds Ragulaboy: calls 75Staart01: folds popol13: calls 50*** FLOP *** [6d 3h 5c]Ragulaboy: bets 100popol13: calls 100moussa75: calls 100*** TURN *** [6d 3h 5c] [Ts]Ragulaboy: checks popol13: bets 50moussa75: raises 100 to 150Ragulaboy: calls 150popol13: calls 100*** RIVER *** [6d 3h 5c Ts] [8s]Ragulaboy: checks popol13: checks moussa75: checks *** SHOW DOWN ***Ragulaboy: shows [Ah Kh] (high card Ace)popol13: mucks hand moussa75: mucks hand Ragulaboy collected 1100 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 1100 | Rake 0 Board [6d 3h 5c Ts 8s]Seat 2: Staart01 (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 3: RJS Bucket folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: popol13 mucked [Kd Jc]Seat 5: rastrev folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: moussa75 mucked [Jh Qh]Seat 7: SeungOh1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: Snamuh (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: Ragulaboy (small blind) showed [Ah Kh] and won (1100) with high card Ace Link to post Share on other sites
bdc30 0 Posted May 7, 2007 Author Share Posted May 7, 2007 Polevault 6th, I'm 11th early....LETS GOOOOOOO FCP Link to post Share on other sites
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