incredible folds

[SplashMaster 0]

Why doesen't he raise with Q-Q, because its pointless. With that many players in the pot your probably gonna need to hit your set to be good, and no one is gonna fold to one more small bet so why not take a cheap flop hope you flop your set, if it comes out something like 8-4-2 rainbow, you have good position.

ummmm okkeep limping with queens in the cut-off and let the blind come in with 35 and drill 2 pairor better yet let A6 come in and hit the aceor K9 and hit the king should I continue?

[mkeller3086 0]

folded QQ once in a heads up game pre-flop (after he moved all in over top of my raise), as i threw them in the muck my buddy flashed KK. I have folded AA pre-flop twice, not because it was a good play, I just wanted to say I did it. Get angry if you will.

[SplashMaster 0]

folded QQ once in a heads up game pre-flop (after he moved all in over top of my raise), as i threw them in the muck my buddy flashed KK. I have folded AA pre-flop twice, not because it was a good play, I just wanted to say I did it. Get angry if you will.

yeah but the scenario in question is LIMIT holdemgo back and read the postsI play QQ like 55 sometimes too in NLH

[Landon_McFly 0]

I'd like for someone to correct me if I'm wrong, but I read in a magazine (don't remember which one) that at the WSOP (not sure if it was the main event or not), at the final table there was a very good laydown made by one of my favorite poker players. It went like this....Mike "The Mouth" was first to act with pocket queens. He made a small raise.Then Phil Gordon (holding pocket kings) made an obscene re-raise.Next to act was Good ol' Hellmuth, who had pocket Aces. He moved all-in, and if memory serves me correct he had both of em covered.Matusow shows his hand to the crowd and mucks it....Gordon takes a minute, then mucks his kingsI forget what hand Hellmuth put Gordon on, but after he told him, Phil Gordon told him that he folded kings. Hellmuth didn't believe him, and Gordon pulled his kings out of the muck and showed him. Hellmuth then showed his aces and was in utter disbelief, of how he could get so "unlucky" as no one called his All-inThe moral of this story is... Don't f with Phil Gordon, or he'll hurt your feelings

[SapphireTiger 0]

phil gordon is too tall to fold kings.

[mark33f 0]

The hand between Hellmuth, Matusow and Gordon was during the 2002 Main Event I think or maybe 2003

[Landon_McFly 0]

phil gordon is too tall to fold kings.

I don't really know why, but I used to hold some grudge against Phil Gordon. Maybe it's just cause of celebrity poker. Or I guess he's just the player I'll never be.I wonder what DN thinks of Phil Gordon? Seems pretty solid to me, and after the story about the lay down of kings, I've definately given him more respect.

[Nutcracker 0]

I'm new to limit hold'em, but already I know that limping with QQ just because you can't thin the field is a stupid play. You raise for value, not because you want to thin the field. You are putting 20% of the money in preflop and your queens WILL win more than 20% of the time. Besides, your preflop raise may be mistaken for a better hand and if an A flops, you can often buy the pot on the flop for 1 small bet anyway, even in passive games.As far as folding a flopped boat to 1 small bet in a limit game.. Terrible. Once it is 3 bet or capped back to you or whatever, then you can *possibly* fold. Wait, no you can't.. You can never know exactly what your opponent has, and if you tricked yourself into thinking you can, that's too bad. Good guess though.

[wrto4556 0]

Good guess though.

All I have to say.

[SplashMaster 0]

I'm new to limit hold'em, but already I know that limping with QQ just because you can't thin the field is a stupid play. You raise for value, not because you want to thin the field. You are putting 20% of the money in preflop and your queens WILL win more than 20% of the time. Besides, your preflop raise may be mistaken for a better hand and if an A flops, you can often buy the pot on the flop for 1 small bet anyway, even in passive games.As far as folding a flopped boat to 1 small bet in a limit game.. Terrible. Once it is 3 bet or capped back to you or whatever, then you can *possibly* fold. Wait, no you can't.. You can never know exactly what your opponent has, and if you tricked yourself into thinking you can, that's too bad. Good guess though.

hhey its not only me who thinks this is....hang on...I haven't said this before :wink: THE WORST FOLD EVER IN ANY GAME IN ANY LIMIT FOR 1 SMALL BET IN THE UNIVERSRE :!: :!:

[G0lfa 0]

$30 $60 limit I am in the big blind with Q4, lots of limpers and the cutoff is a decent player who limps as well, this is a loose passive (very passive as you will see) game and he is good enough to know that raising will not thin the field much but I could tell he wanted to do something but couldn't. Button calls, small blind calls, I check, and the flop comes down q,4,4, and fast as can be the small blind bets out. The I took a look at the cutoff and knew that he had qq and my only out (the other four) was to my right in the small blind. I laid down the boat to one small bet. The pot ended up huge as the small blind made a boat out of his 4, 10 when a ten came on the river, this also filled a guy with pocket tens, and the 7 on the turn filled a guy with pocket sevens, and when all the dust setteld the cutoff turned over his pocket queens.Strange hand but I was sure I was beat and only invested my big blind.

So if am counting right, five full houses were made (including yours)?Also, neither the pocket sevens, queens or tens raised pre-flop? I also don't understand the logic of "he is good enough to know that raising will not thin the field much but I could tell he wanted to do something but couldn't." How does this make someone "good"? Wanting their pocket pair to be up against so many drawing hands? Why couldnt he raise?

one more thing.... with the board of 44Q.... TT and 77 called 2 or 3 bets on the flop? and then TT called a capped round with the board 44Q7? that just doesnt make sense

[HoosierAlum 0]

I will make this very simple for the person who folded a straight flush...There are 2 spots where folding this hand would be correct:1) He showed you his cards2)You have x-ray vision

[Guest]

my best fold ever.... I am holding Ah Kh... flop is Qh Jh 10h.... Guy in sb goes all in and I decide to fold because I think he has me beat.... OOPS I have a royal!! bad fold I guess.. :x :x :x :x

[Landon_McFly 0]

Best fold of my life...I'd probably have to go with the peanut butter and jelly sandwich I did last Saturday.

[semaj550 0]

I will make this very simple for the person who folded a straight flush...There are 2 spots where folding this hand would be correct:1) He showed you his cards2)You have x-ray vision

If I was any less sure of my read I would agree with you. But I had a lot of information on this guy and I used it. Based on the way the hand played out I didn't have him on a range of possible hands. I didn't have him on a couple possibilies. I knew the exact two cards he was holding. My biggest argument is that if I have a read that I am so sure of why wouldn't I follow it? If I were the best hand reader in the world but paid of better but unlikely hands why bother being a good hand reader in the first place?Now I'm not saying that I'm a great reader by any stretch but I had a fair bit of information on this guy and was 100% sure (not even just 99%) that he had the two cards he did. Even if he didn't turn his cards over I'd have been happy with my lay down.

[Acesgotcracked 0]

You guys dont understand. No one is going to fold to your raise because there all getting odds to call one more small bet and go to the flop 9 handed. The original poster said everyone or all but one limped into the pot. And as far as betting for value goes, what value? Its nine flipping handed, unless you spike your set of queens you almost for surredly will not win this pot. You dont have to worry about the Ace or King hitting the board, but also with that many people in the hand a flop of 7-8-2 might have gave the guy with 7-8s two pair. You have to hit your set to win, if you dont you probably will be beat. If there was only three other people in the pot and I was on the button or cutoff with Queens then it would make sense to raise because you are a decent favorite with your pair against an overcard and some suited connectors people may have limped with.

[Kilgore Trout 0]

$30 $60 limit I am in the big blind with Q4, lots of limpers and the cutoff is a decent player who limps as well, this is a loose passive (very passive as you will see) game and he is good enough to know that raising will not thin the field much but I could tell he wanted to do something but couldn't.  Button calls, small blind calls, I check, and the flop comes down q,4,4, and fast as can be the small blind bets out.  The I took a look at the cutoff and knew that he had qq and my only out (the other four) was to my right in the small blind.  I laid down the boat to one small bet.  The pot ended up huge as the small blind made a boat out of his 4, 10 when a ten came on the river, this also filled a guy with pocket tens, and the 7 on the turn filled a guy with pocket sevens, and when all the dust setteld the cutoff turned over his pocket queens.Strange hand but I was sure I was beat and only invested my big blind.

So if am counting right, five full houses were made (including yours)?Also, neither the pocket sevens, queens or tens raised pre-flop? I also don't understand the logic of "he is good enough to know that raising will not thin the field much but I could tell he wanted to do something but couldn't." How does this make someone "good"? Wanting their pocket pair to be up against so many drawing hands? Why couldnt he raise?

one more thing.... with the board of 44Q.... TT and 77 called 2 or 3 bets on the flop? and then TT called a capped round with the board 44Q7? that just doesnt make sense

The sb bet out with his three fours, tt (UTG) called, and 77 called, qq (top boat) only called the flop bet, he did not raise and that is a good play in a loose passive game where you know the first guy to act is going to be betting right out on the next round (because you have a good read on him). Wait till the turn with your monster then raise it. From there the sb bet the turn and tt called, 77 raised (cause he just hit his boat) then qq (cutoff) three bet, sb called and ten ten (stupidly) called two bets there, 77 then raised, and qq called, sb called and ten ten (prob with pot odds to hit his two outer if he thought it would be good) called one more bet. Ten on the river, capping ensures.Again to the others it was not uncommon for UTG 10, 10 to call in this game, nor for a mp player to call with 77 and we have beat the qq thing to death.And no I live in chicago and get to vegas about six times a year so only if you consider four or five days six times a year to be regular (I sure dont's and its not all at the bellagio, in fact that is my least favorite place to play can't wait to check out MGM's new room and Wynn's). I play 10 20 (and 20 40 when they offer it) here in chicago frequently enough to have to claim it on my taxes, but 30 60 is where the game in vegas changes the most (in my experience at least), it seems to me that any draw at any lower game always comes along (I also like time pay better).