"mass Chaos In Iraq Will Lead To Mass Chaos Worldwide."

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but in your case the fire is not saying, 'leave us alone and we will leave u alone.

So, your suggestion is for us to pull out of Iraq and just let the sectarian violence ensue so they can kill each other off?Let me preface this by saying that is absolutely my answer. Let them kill each other off. I am free to say this because I am an insensitive ******* and make no bones about it. (this position also relies on our completely shutting off our borders and threatening to completely annihilate the government of any nation that raises terrorists against us- quite possibly, annihilate the nation itself). Let them run around and burn their little paper drawings of US flags and "hate" us. We don't care. Protest all you want. Come here to harm us and we kill you and possibly destroy your entire homeland.You want Jihad? LOLihad. We Jihad back, only our Jihad isn't a bunch of drooling 3rd worlders lamenting in the dirt and cattle-dung laden streets of some failed Crapistan. No, after Vietnam and Iraq, we should've learned how to do this right. You don't exterminate cockroaches by stomping them one at a time... Our re-Jihad will come from the position of a superior civilization who can kill every last one of you without having to pick up a rifle. Let the Canadians, French and Swedes cry over it. Who cares what they think? What have they done in the past 60 years other than get invaded by Germany, comply with Germany or play hockey? You, as an avowed leftist turd, however, don't enjoy the luxury of this position. You're in the crappy corner of having to be against US involvement, but also being against the consequences of no US involvement. Basically, leftism 101. Run around in circles pulling your hair protesting everything, but don't offer a solution to anything.It must suck to be you.

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So, your suggestion is for us to pull out of Iraq and just let the sectarian violence ensue so they can kill each other off?Let me preface this by saying that is absolutely my answer. Let them kill each other off. I am free to say this because I am an insensitive ******* and make no bones about it. (this position also relies on our completely shutting off our borders and threatening to completely annihilate the government of any nation that raises terrorists against us- quite possibly, annihilate the nation itself). Let them run around and burn their little paper drawings of US flags and "hate" us. We don't care. Protest all you want. Come here to harm us and we kill you and possibly destroy your entire homeland.You want Jihad? LOLihad. We Jihad back, only our Jihad isn't a bunch of drooling 3rd worlders lamenting in the dirt and cattle-dung laden streets of some failed Crapistan. No, after Vietnam and Iraq, we should've learned how to do this right. You don't exterminate cockroaches by stomping them one at a time... Our re-Jihad will come from the position of a superior civilization who can kill every last one of you without having to pick up a rifle. Let the Canadians, French and Swedes cry over it. Who cares what they think? What have they done in the past 60 years other than get invaded by Germany, comply with Germany or play hockey? You, as an avowed leftist turd, however, don't enjoy the luxury of this position. You're in the crappy corner of having to be against US involvement, but also being against the consequences of no US involvement. Basically, leftism 101. Run around in circles pulling your hair protesting everything, but don't offer a solution to anything.It must suck to be you.

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It wasn't that great before we went in. In fact, the whole country was a nasty dump even before we bombed it in the first gulf war. ...the violence that has been a part of their culture for hundreds of years...It wasn't that great before, so it's like installing a crystal chandelier out in the barn. No ones ever going to see it, it's never going to be that useful, and it's not going to impress the animals...

you have made your bias abundantly clear. so from that starting point, it's no wonder u post outright LIES in your posts.iraq was a THRIVING country before the 'first' gulf war. do some research...or get rid of your obvious elitism/racism.

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this position also relies on our completely shutting off our borders and threatening to completely annihilate the government of any nation that raises terrorists against us- quite possibly, annihilate the nation itself...Our re-Jihad will come from the position of a superior civilization who can kill every last one of you without having to pick up a rifle. Let the Canadians, French and Swedes cry over it.

You of course see the obvious problem with this stance (I mean, there are many, many problems with it, but one is more overwhelming than the others).The problem is that terrorists aren't a nation. They are a network of people who at any given time may preside in one or many nations, but don't claim any soil of their own. Sure, we could nuke all of Afghanistan, Iraq, and Iran (that's basically your proposal, right). But this won't kill all the terrorists. It will probably kill some (mainly those living in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Iran when the bombs go off). But there will be many living throughout the world who won't be killed and will enact swift revenge against the US. These terrorists may live in countries such as Pakistan or Saudi Arabia, which you may expect, but they will also come from countries such as France, England, and from within the United States itself. Do you suppose that we then nuke these countries since terrorists came from them (that's your original criteria, right?).I'm not going to get into the whole "our nuking countries makes more terrorists than it kills" and the whole "dropping nuclear bombs on a country, especially one in the Middle East, will start a global thermonuclear war and will end humanity as we know it" things. They're pretty self explanatory, anyway.Seriously, though, I know your kidding. It is easy to let off some frustration at an almost impossible global situation against terrorism run by morons by talking about "FUCKING NUKING PEOPLE" on a message board. So, carry on if it's cathartic for you.

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you have made your bias abundantly clear. so from that starting point, it's no wonder u post outright LIES in your posts.iraq was a THRIVING country before the 'first' gulf war. do some research...or get rid of your obvious elitism/racism.

I won't explain your error in reading comprehension to you. If you want to assume I was referring to the Iraqi people as animals, I'll leave it at that. Screw politcal correctness, I live in a country that has freedom of speech. Am sure you liberal morons will start a movement now to stop people from using the word animal, and will start referring to barn inhabitants as the A-Word. The only ones thriving in Iraq before the Gulf War was Saddam and his cronies. I won't bother to explain that either, we all know that you liberals love dictators, total government control, and oppression. A liberal is nothing more than a dictators next victim. You have made abundantly clear that you support terrorism and oppression above and beyond any form of freedom.

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Screw politcal correctness, I live in a country that has freedom of speech. Am sure you liberal morons will start a movement now to stop people from using the word animal, and will start referring to barn inhabitants as the A-Word....I won't bother to explain that either, we all know that you liberals love dictators, total government control, and oppression. A liberal is nothing more than a dictators next victim. You have made abundantly clear that you support terrorism and oppression above and beyond any form of freedom.

Ironically, it is your use of stereotypes and cliches that has made you come across as quite stereotypical yourself. You're starting to sound like Sean Hannity (which is obviously not a good thing).

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Ironically, it is your use of stereotypes and cliches that has made you come across as quite stereotypical yourself. You're starting to sound like Sean Hannity (which is obviously not a good thing).

Wow! What a great compliment. You made my day.

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Okay let me try to explain my side.Imagine your sweater is on fire.......just kidding.

Balloon guy, you never fail to make me laugh out loud! I agree that there is some benefit on having our troops be like a big terrorist magnet in Iraq, so that they don't go elsewhere. However, my original post wasn't intended to be a pull out of Iraq/stay there debate. The original intent was to say that I could see some bad crap happening if we left Iraq, but to say that there would be mass chaos worldwide seems like a huge overstatement to me and I feel that it weakens the case of pro war people because it is an obvious exaggeration to try and strengthen the argument of staying in Iraq. Maybe my definition of mass world chaos just differs from Daniel's I guess?

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The only ones thriving in Iraq before the Gulf War was Saddam and his cronies.

again, do some research instead of parroting what u have been told to think.and i am 100% behind free speech.

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i hear they have good dates in the middle eastanyone?

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again, do some research instead of parroting what u have been told to think.and i am 100% behind free speech.

I base my opinion on what I encountered and experienced while I was in the Middle East. No, you are for you having free speech, until it comes at a cost. I doubt you have ever given any thought to give or protect freedom of speech of others. Have a nice day!

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I base my opinion on what I encountered and experienced while I was in the Middle East. No, you are for you having free speech, until it comes at a cost. I doubt you have ever given any thought to give or protect freedom of speech of others. Have a nice day!

that makes no sense.and u ARE wrong about iraq. really, read up. sure u may have visited, does that give u a CLUE as to how their economy, medical, education and military were? read up, please.

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i hear they have good dates in the middle eastanyone?

Palm Springs area has alot of date feilds.You haven't lived till you've had a good date shake!

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Balloon guy, you never fail to make me laugh out loud! I agree that there is some benefit on having our troops be like a big terrorist magnet in Iraq, so that they don't go elsewhere. However, my original post wasn't intended to be a pull out of Iraq/stay there debate. The original intent was to say that I could see some bad crap happening if we left Iraq, but to say that there would be mass chaos worldwide seems like a huge overstatement to me and I feel that it weakens the case of pro war people because it is an obvious exaggeration to try and strengthen the argument of staying in Iraq. Maybe my definition of mass world chaos just differs from Daniel's I guess?

The truth is we don't KNOW what would happen if we left.But the conservative side is to say, "Let's not risk it since the bad side is so bad we need to err on the side of not letting it happen"The liberal side is; "We hate Bush so if we pull out then we can chance the whole thing fixing itself so that we can point to it and say: See, Bush is bad, then we can ensure multiple election victories for years"Kidding, the liberal side is really: "Let pull out so that we can show the terrorist that we are nice people and that will make them realize that peace is so wonderful that we need to all elect Clay Aikens to be the new UN sec gen."kidding again, the real liberal side is: "Let em die, they're not white, and we might be able to blame the republicans"Okay the really real liberal side is: "Let's gamble with the entire world's economy based on our feelings."That is actually a fine cross section of the entire liberal motivation. Basing foreign policy on feelings is a great way to run Canada, but not the lone World's Super Power.

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The truth is we don't KNOW what would happen if we left.But the conservative side is to say, "..."The liberal side is; "..."

why can't americans (some) realize there is more to an issue than this or that? really, 2 views, and that's it?if most of them could look past their instinctual tribal associations, something might get done, both with their foreign policy and in their country. afterall, is it normal for MOST OF THE WORLD to have a negative opinion of 'the lone World's Super Power.'? or that the gap between the rich and 'poor' (most americans) is GROWING in their country? or that other countries have universal medical and education, yet for some reason that is beyond the grasp of 'the lone World's Super Power'? think about it, is that right?and the current US admin, and most of the congressmen and senators, etc believe that they should have a military presence in iraq. both dems and cons, for the most part.and the funny thing is, most americans would probably agree. no one questions the fact that the US is building a 1.5+ BILLION DOLLAR 'embassy' there. afterall, it is normal to have the 'the lone World's Super Power' construct a 1.5+ BILLION DOLLAR embassy with taxpayer money in the country they invaded, and now are occupying, right?and to almost immediately eliminate most, if not all, barriers in iraqi law to foreign investment, such as the foreign company now being allowed to take out ALL of the money earned in iraq without paying the state of iraq ANY taxes. oh, and this 'lone World's Super Power' gets to decide which companies can invest. there are plenty more, just look up what bremer implemented.do u think that this is a normal way for 'the lone World's Super Power' to act? invasion, then occupation. not to mention having at least one concentration camp in their system, and most likely a series of CIA controlled torture prisons around the world, ALL exempt from the freedoms, liberty and basic regard for human rights that this 'lone World's Super Power' constantly tells the world that they are for?everyone says, 'OK, now what do we do?' and they will continue to say this because most americans never learn from the past in this regard.because now it is admitted by MOST around the world that the invasion and occupation is a failure and a travesty, yet where's the justice?some say, 'look at germany and japan, their economy is thriving after US invasion and occupation.' a recent study found that, 'In terms of worker morale, Dutch workers are the happiest, followed by their Thai and Irish counterparts. The lowest morale of all is found in Japan, followed by Germany...'.it also noted that, '...after France, Britain and Sweden, the world's biggest workplace whiners are Americans, despite their having by far the highest levels of income,...'.http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070514/lf_af...lefranceirelandjust something to think about when someone feels the need to boast about the american-style democracy that is forced on other countries.

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if most of them could look past their instinctual tribal associations, something might get done, both with their foreign policy and in their country. afterall, is it normal for MOST OF THE WORLD to have a negative opinion of 'the lone World's Super Power.'? or that the gap between the rich and 'poor' (most americans) is GROWING in their country? or that other countries have universal medical and education, yet for some reason that is beyond the grasp of 'the lone World's Super Power'? think about it, is that right?

If you haven't figured it out yet, this and many other non-socialized reasons is why we are the "Lone Superpower" Socialism does not sustain over an extended period of time, it is a farce. Its Star Trek, a fake Utopia. We will never have socialized medicine and our schooling is getting further away from the social programs that were instituted in the New Deal back in the 30's and 40's.Socialized medicine will cause a chain reaction in the level of care provided, If a doctor has to go to school and residency for 12 years (13 for surgeons) so they can make $65,000 a year it will slowly weed out the Alpha Male and Female that you need to take those positions. They will not be able to backstudent laons and be living in poverty. That will then cause medical education to regress or go social along with research, etc. Because it will not get the $$$.I am not saying our system is perfect, but socialized medicine is not the answer. Even the big bad drug companies who make all that money... if medicine were socialized they would have no reason to spend billions of research dollars on things Like cancer, HIV, Parkinsons, Alzheimers, etc. We live in a capitalistic society, in a democratic republic, we will continue to be a superpower and continue to do what we beleive is in the worlds (and foremost our) best interest.

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why can't americans (some) realize there is more to an issue than this or that? really, 2 views, and that's it?blah blah blah

I think your tin foil hat is getting too tight. Might want to get an adjustment.But saying the Thai people are happier than Americans once again shos how you will grab at the most insane item to try to prove your stupidity.My wife goes to Bangkok every year, spends weeks there, most Thai people are so far below poverty level that they can't see poverty. They are happy because they are heavily religious people, not because they think making $2 a week working 60 hours is a good deal.Last I checked Americans aren't breaking down the door to get into these utopian societies you claim exist, actually it's the other way around.But you don't need pecky things like facts to confirm your insanity, enjoy the kool aid.

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I think your tin foil hat is getting too tight. Might want to get an adjustment.But saying the Thai people are happier than Americans once again shos how you will grab at the most insane item to try to prove your stupidity.My wife goes to Bangkok every year, spends weeks there, most Thai people are so far below poverty level that they can't see poverty. They are happy because they are heavily religious people, not because they think making $2 a week working 60 hours is a good deal.Last I checked Americans aren't breaking down the door to get into these utopian societies you claim exist, actually it's the other way around.But you don't need pecky things like facts to confirm your insanity, enjoy the kool aid.

don't u see how u boil everything down to money? i was not saying thai people are happy because they are poor. u r biased against anything i say, so now u start putting words in my mouth to satisfy your ego. where did i mention ANYTHING about a utopian society?the insults, well, that's expected from u.

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If you haven't figured it out yet, this and many other non-socialized reasons is why we are the "Lone Superpower" Socialism does not sustain over an extended period of time, it is a farce. Its Star Trek, a fake Utopia. We will never have socialized medicine and our schooling is getting further away from the social programs that were instituted in the New Deal back in the 30's and 40's.Socialized medicine will cause a chain reaction in the level of care provided, If a doctor has to go to school and residency for 12 years (13 for surgeons) so they can make $65,000 a year it will slowly weed out the Alpha Male and Female that you need to take those positions. They will not be able to backstudent laons and be living in poverty. That will then cause medical education to regress or go social along with research, etc. Because it will not get the $$$.I am not saying our system is perfect, but socialized medicine is not the answer. Even the big bad drug companies who make all that money... if medicine were socialized they would have no reason to spend billions of research dollars on things Like cancer, HIV, Parkinsons, Alzheimers, etc. We live in a capitalistic society, in a democratic republic, we will continue to be a superpower and continue to do what we beleive is in the worlds (and foremost our) best interest.

i would argue that a lone superpower in the world, that acts ONLY in its best interests (i know u mentioned the world's interest too, can u cite an example?) is not sustainable. ALL world superpowers have fallen in our history. All.Dr.'s in cuba do not make the money that american Dr.'s do, so by your reasoning their medical system should be pretty poor. it is actually a great system, and cuban Dr.'s are lent out all over the world to help other countries. a forms of socialism (because not all types of socialism are the same) have existed in canada and the netherlands for a long time. why can't the world's richest nation provide basic medical care for its citizens? i can't imagine living somewhere where whether i would survive an illness or not depends on how much money i have.the US budget for 2007 is 2.8 TRILLION!and why is free post-secondary education unworkable? don't u think it is a great investment for the future?

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don't u see how u boil everything down to money? i was not saying thai people are happy because they are poor. u r biased against anything i say, so now u start putting words in my mouth to satisfy your ego. where did i mention ANYTHING about a utopian society?the insults, well, that's expected from u.

If only your country could afford to give everyone a spell checker...at least your rubbish wouldn't be so childish looking, only the content would be.

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If only your country could afford to give everyone a spell checker...at least your rubbish wouldn't be so childish looking, only the content would be.

the insults, well, that's expected from u.