Zach6668 513 Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 Villain is 25/13/1.5 after 47 hands.CryptologicLimit Holdem Ring gameLimit: $3/$65 playersConverterPre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with 3 A UTG folds, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, Hero calls.Flop: 3 7 K (7.5SB, 2 players)Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.Turn: J (4.75BB, 2 players)Hero checks, Button checks.River: 7 (4.75BB, 2 players)Hero bets...A couple interesting things, firstly, preflop raise is standard, right?Secondly, I'm not a fan of raising this flop because I get 3-bet a lot here on Crypto, like people are bet/3-betting 55 on this board here, so I like to save that for when I have better than bottom pair. So I peel for bdfd and two pair/trip outs. Anyone disagree?Turn, I'm completely prepared to c/f, standard, I'd think. He checks through though. This tells me he doesn't have a pair, so I'm ahead. This brings me to the river, do we prefer a value bet here hoping to get called by Ax, or would we prefer to see a check, hoping to pick up a bluff?Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites
Moneyball16 0 Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 Preflops fine. Flop/turn is fine against someone who gives up on turn. On river I dont think he is bluffing with his A high hands very often. I think hell just check and hope they are good. Betting may get called by some A high hands though, but he may also have a PP(55-TT) that will very likely call aswell. I think I like betting the river the best and think that if we check it shouldnt automatically be a c/c and we should consider a c/f.Then again he may think he has too bluff on the river with A high too win. I hate having reads that are just numbers. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted May 4, 2007 Author Share Posted May 4, 2007 I hate having reads that are just numbers.Yeah, agreed. I was actually suprised that I had 50 hands on him, he'd been super quiet and I hadn't noticed a thing up until this hand.I felt like he was a standard Tag/Lag decent player, like most of the players on Crypto, aggro, will 3-bet light if the situation calls for, etc. Most of these players don't give up on the turn like that, so his check actually suprised me, I was expecting to just fold. Link to post Share on other sites
MrNiceGuy 0 Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 Unless I expect villain to make a crying call on this river with A-high (which given the description, I don't- after all, what is villain going to put us on that A-high can beat after we peel on this flop), I actually like a check-fold on this river. (I'm expecting that usually villain will check behind, and we'll win the pot against his A-high, but sometimes, he'll check behind, and well lose to his TT (or something similar), and sometimes he'll bet and we'll fold, but I don't think we win 1/6 of the time that he bets). Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted May 4, 2007 Author Share Posted May 4, 2007 I think after his turn check, I'm ahead more than 1/6. If I'm checking, it's because I'm calling a bet, on this particular river. A lot of rivers, I can c/f, but this one did nothing to improve his hand. Link to post Share on other sites
Moneyball16 0 Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 I think after his turn check, I'm ahead more than 1/6. If I'm checking, it's because I'm calling a bet, on this particular river. A lot of rivers, I can c/f, but this one did nothing to improve his hand.If you check the river to him I dont think hes betting A high though very often if he is a decent player so it makes it hard for him to be betting something worse than yours so in that sense c/f seems best, but some guys will bet dumb **** like AQ and AT here so Id probably have to call here until I had a better read, but I think its alot closer between c/c and c/f then you do. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted May 4, 2007 Author Share Posted May 4, 2007 You know, it's possible that there is a significant difference in game standards between sites. The games I play regularly on Crypto, if I check any street out of position, they will be maybe 90% of the time, no matter what they have. The river is a bit different, where you get a few more showdown checks, but I still routinely see decent players betting their 89s there that they FPS'ed into 3-betting preflop, etc. The play on Crypto is sorta weird. Link to post Share on other sites
Moneyball16 0 Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 You know, it's possible that there is a significant difference in game standards between sites. The games I play regularly on Crypto, if I check any street out of position, they will be maybe 90% of the time, no matter what they have. The river is a bit different, where you get a few more showdown checks, but I still routinely see decent players betting their 89s there that they FPS'ed into 3-betting preflop, etc. The play on Crypto is sorta weird.I have no idea how different sites play since Ive only played on Stars, but from the guys stats he doesnt seem that aggressive to either bet 90% when checked to or 3-bet 98s in that spot. Also when people reraise with trash they normally dont give up so easily. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted May 4, 2007 Author Share Posted May 4, 2007 I have no idea how different sites play since Ive only played on Stars, but from the guys stats he doesnt seem that aggressive to either bet 90% when checked to or 3-bet 98s in that spot. Also when people reraise with trash they normally dont give up so easily.Yeah, I know... these games are weird.I'm doin something right there though... 2.36 BB/100 over my last 9929 hands somehow, lol. Link to post Share on other sites
CoranMoran 0 Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 if we check it shouldnt automatically be a c/c and we should consider a c/f.Villain checked down the turn.The river was a total blank.I would never consider check-folding under these circumstances.This river decision is very dependant on the read.If Villain has shown me he will call down on the river with A-high, obviously a value bet can be made.Otherwise, I don't see much point to a bet.Because I expect a middle pocket pair to call.So I will usually just check.But if I check here on the river, I am calling every time.--CM Link to post Share on other sites
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