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I have been playing poker for money for about 6 months (not as a living; just a hobby) and the first 5 months I was a net loser (some days up; some days down - but net down for each month) but this last month I have been doing really well and I have been considerably net up for the month of April (still got another 19 hours to change that but I don't think that will happen). I'm still net down for the entire playing period and I sure don't consider myself a winning player yet, however I do feel my game is improving and the results seems to bear wittness to that. I play cash games almost exclusively and I play on average about 60 hours a month/3,500 hands a month so while not a lot it should still be enough to avoid being biased by one or two big wins/losses (which there haven't been any of)....At this point what do you think it will take for me results-wise to be a break-even player and then eventually a winning player (at a given level - I'm sure I would lose in a hurry if I went up in my game selection)? Does my question even make sense lol?RegardsErasa

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wow a post by someone who actually sounds like they know what their talking about and actually makes sense too... im too tired to offer any advice other than just see how many winning months you can string togeter in a row...

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Keep logging all your sessions. Cardplayers "Poker Analysis" is a good free one and this way you can track your results using graphs etc to see how you are doing. How long till I'm a winning player question is a bit like "How longs a piece of string"!! Depends how much work you put in. Try to spend some hours each week analysing your game, looking at hand histories. Be strict with yourself and dont take the "Oh I must have been unlucky in that session approach". Also I found I started to become a winning player when I stopped playing tired, too long, or at certain times of the day. I find I'm a better play at night than during the day. Obviously not tilting is a big factor too. Good luck!!

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3.5k hands a month isn't a lot.it would be really hard to judge if you are a winner or not solely based off 3.5k hands a month.You could easily have a nice upswing, or nasty downswing during that time...and give you the wrong 'feel' for your game.I know you know 3.5k isn't a lot...but you'd def. want something like 25k hands or so...maybe 10k min to start to get a feel for your win rate.- Jordan

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Keep logging all your sessions. Cardplayers "Poker Analysis" is a good free one and this way you can track your results using graphs etc to see how you are doing.
One of the first things I did when I decided to play for money was to invest in a license to Poker Tracker (and PAHUD, PokerSpy and Pokerbility) - that program is pure genius. I do spend some time analyzing my hands and very rarely do the net outcome of a poker outing of mine swing on a bad beat - invariably it will be questionable starting hands (I have really firmed up in this department in the last month) and falling in love with OESD and flush draws that doesn't get there (trying to get better but it is hard - probably the biggest hole in my game (that I can spot)).The answer - if there is one - to my original post is really more to satisfy my curiosity; I plan on keep doing what I am doing; reading everything I can get my hands on; studying my own game and try to plug holes and finally play as much as possible and try to have fun.Thanks for the replies so far.RegardsErasa
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my best advice is, don't chase draws unless you have the odds. never check call with OESFD, go all in with them on the flop... sometimes on the turn if you think the person is going to fold. But at the stakes you are playing, im assuming your not playing high or medium stakes poker... at the stakes your playing, just play tighter than the people around you. At low stakes poker it is rarely the one who outplays everyone as much as the person who waits for cards. Sad but true. Keep up the good work, and also. I find it is good to decide if you want to specialize in tournament poker or cash game poker. Until you become very highly skilled, it is not going to be easy to be good at both.

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I was actually doing a similar introspection this weekend. I have ended up ahead in 12 of my past 17 sessions, including 5 in a row. I recently plugged a couple of leaks in my game and discovered a couple of different styles to which I can switch as the table dictates, and still feel comfortable. I really CRUSH home games (haven't had a losing home game in months and generally walk with 5 - 6 Buy ins) but also do reasonably well in Casinos. I am profitable from the point at which I started keeping track nearly 2 years ago to date. Also profitable year to date. My biggest issue is that I will not play on-line and only get about 2 to 3 sessions per month in the local Casinos. Even if I average 5 hours per session, that is less than 1,000 or so hands per month. I have come to the realization that I have to treat Poker as just part of my discretionary entertainment time, not as a profitable "business". I can still improve and be a profitable player - but moving up in limits or counting on it for additional income is just not wise. Variance can easily kill my roll and I accept this.

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