Way Back East In The 5/10/20 Nl

[mtdesmoines 3]

The BB is actually an interesting element in the hand. His money is essentially dead money in the pot as far as my hand is concerned. I'm either up against a bigger set or a made straight in the SB. I'm like 95% sure the BB has got a flush draw, since nothing else makes sense. So, if I improve to beat either hand that the SB holds, I will improve to be beating the BB as well and therefore his money in the pot is just adding to my equity.

So I'm out for lunch earlier washing my car and I'm thinking two things. First, what are the odds the set of 3's sits in the short stack? Implications? What are the odds that SB is reading BB for flush draw as well, and has A3 and wants your AK/AQ in, too? Another thought that occured to me is ... how much of a bully is the SB? Is it out of character for SB to make an isolating play like this with a big ace or A2/A3? Thanks for posting this hand. It's very interesting.

[RhinestoneCowboy 2]

So I'm out for lunch earlier washing my car and I'm thinking two things. First, what are the odds the set of 3's sits in the short stack? Implications? What are the odds that SB is reading BB for flush draw as well, and has A3 and wants your AK/AQ in, too? Another thought that occured to me is ... how much of a bully is the SB? Is it out of character for SB to make an isolating play like this with a big ace or A2/A3? Thanks for posting this hand. It's very interesting.

I don't see the hero limping these hands...I don't play these stakes, but I pretty much play with a "call anything with a set on the flop" mentality. Why would a guy that has a better hand than you (33 or 45) raise all-in with such confidence. Is he giving away strength or weakness?

[mtdesmoines 3]

I don't see the hero limping these hands...I don't play these stakes, but I pretty much play with a "call anything with a set on the flop" mentality. Why would a guy that has a better hand than you (33 or 45) raise all-in with such confidence. Is he giving away strength or weakness?

First, good point. Second, I don't know that we don't have the hands reversed, where the short stack has the set of threes and the big stack has the flush draw.

[mtdesmoines 3]

Why would a guy that has a better hand than you (33 or 45) raise all-in with such confidence. Is he giving away strength or weakness?

Because we shoved in $700 to begin with, right?

[Acid_Knight 2]

First, what are the odds the set of 3's sits in the short stack? Implications? What are the odds that SB is reading BB for flush draw as well, and has A3 and wants your AK/AQ in, too? Another thought that occured to me is ... how much of a bully is the SB? Is it out of character for SB to make an isolating play like this with a big ace or A2/A3?

The odds of the shortstack having a set here are remote. I guess just take my word for it becuase I can't remember what about the hand made me so sure, but I was not worried about his hand at all at the time.The SB would probably never do this with a big A, and A2/A3 are possibilities, but when he came over top of me all in, I just was sure that he wans't screwing around. I really think those 2 hands make up a tiny portion of his range and also, I don't think he'd ever push all-in after I put in the 3rd bet on the flop if he held one of those 2 hands here.

[Jordan 1]

1: call2: ??3: graphi tried- Jordan

[Acid_Knight 2]

Why would a guy that has a better hand than you (33 or 45) raise all-in with such confidence. Is he giving away strength or weakness?

For the exact reason that I have shown so much strength in this hand. It's almost obvious that my hand is a set or a hand that I'm not going to be folding based on the action. I hadn't been playing crazy at all, so for me to put in a 3rd bet to $700, he had to know I had a monster and was probably gonna put my stack in the pot.

[NEtwowilldo 0]

I think if you have a never fold a set policy, you should adhere to it.Kinda like the never fold QQ in the first level of a 4.40 180, sometimes you're beat but you know that most of the time you're not, so it's +EV to get it all in in that spot.I would instacall this. I don't really see what all the debate is about. Especially with the BBs dead money.

[Royal_Tour 0]

In these situations, the older guys who play lots of live poker, regardless of limits or game, they always seem to play their hand, and not worry too much about opponents, unless they feel their opponent has the nuts.I feel as though he wheeled you. I dont put him on 3,3 i put him on the straight. plain and simple.

[Zach6668 513]

In these situations, the older guys who play lots of live poker, regardless of limits or game, they always seem to play their hand, and not worry too much about opponents, unless they feel their opponent has the nuts.I feel as though he wheeled you. I dont put him on 3,3 i put him on the straight. plain and simple.

So it's an evey easier call then...

[Acid_Knight 2]

I think if you have a never fold a set policy, you should adhere to it.I would instacall this. I don't really see what all the debate is about. Especially with the BBs dead money.

I don't have a "never fold a set" policy, I just recommend it to others.I can count on one fifth of one hand, the number of times that I have ever laid down a set on the flop. That happens to be this hand.I remember sitting at the table, knowing that I was behind in the hand (to 33 or 45) and afraid to risk that much money even when I knew I was probably getting the right pot odds to do so.I thought for 5 minutes, while I was doing that, people along the rail (yes, people actually watched this game for some reason) started muttering it must be a set over set. I finally folded faceup.Joe turned over the nuts, 45o and Rick had J9s for the flush draw. As if to punish me for making this laydown (mathmatically incorrect laydown), the poker gods let the case 2 roll off on the turn and I would've made quads and won what was a $5400 pot. I let the money blind me from making the best move here because I was taking a shot at a game that was a little out of my league at the time.

[No_Neck 0]

I had a feeling something gross like that was coming.

[mtdesmoines 3]

I don't have a "never fold a set" policy, I just recommend it to others.I can count on one fifth of one hand, the number of times that I have ever laid down a set on the flop. That happens to be this hand.I remember sitting at the table, knowing that I was behind in the hand (to 33 or 45) and afraid to risk that much money even when I knew I was probably getting the right pot odds to do so.I thought for 5 minutes, while I was doing that, people along the rail (yes, people actually watched this game for some reason) started muttering it must be a set over set. I finally folded faceup.Joe turned over the nuts, 45o and Rick had J9s for the flush draw. As if to punish me for making this laydown (mathmatically incorrect laydown), the poker gods let the case 2 roll off on the turn and I would've made quads and won what was a $5400 pot. I let the money blind me from making the best move here because I was taking a shot at a game that was a little out of my league at the time.

Don't you hate those hindsight hands? Of course the old man had the flopped nuts. He'd smooth call with a set because it's not the nuts, right?

[Naismith 0]

As if to punish me for making this laydown (mathmatically incorrect laydown), the poker gods let the case 2 roll off on the turn and I would've made quads and won what was a $5400 pot. I let the money blind me from making the best move here because I was taking a shot at a game that was a little out of my league at the time.

Wait a minute...this doesn't make sense.I folded 4-2 on this hand (a big fold for me). I knew you had a big hand when you went into the tank for so long, but this is the first I heard of 2-2. You should've said something...it would've been a misdeal and a new deck put in play.BFFIDTS

[Jordan 1]

1: call2: ??3: graphi tried- Jordan

[NEtwowilldo 0]

I don't have a "never fold a set" policy, I just recommend it to others.I can count on one fifth of one hand, the number of times that I have ever laid down a set on the flop. That happens to be this hand.I remember sitting at the table, knowing that I was behind in the hand (to 33 or 45) and afraid to risk that much money even when I knew I was probably getting the right pot odds to do so.I thought for 5 minutes, while I was doing that, people along the rail (yes, people actually watched this game for some reason) started muttering it must be a set over set. I finally folded faceup.Joe turned over the nuts, 45o and Rick had J9s for the flush draw. As if to punish me for making this laydown (mathmatically incorrect laydown), the poker gods let the case 2 roll off on the turn and I would've made quads and won what was a $5400 pot. I let the money blind me from making the best move here because I was taking a shot at a game that was a little out of my league at the time.

Let this be a lesson to you youngsters about BR management.