cheetaking 0 Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 I just finished playing in this tournament, and made a move with about 400 left until the money that had me sweating bullets. I'm curious to know whether everyone thinks that this was a good move or a donk bet.GAME: PokerStars $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit, $15,000 guranteed, starting chips: 3000.Blinds: 200/400, 25 ante (Level VII)Game Info: 2160 players started, 650 remain, payout to top 250.9 players at table.UTG + 5: cheetaking (8725 in chips) BUTTON: Villain (15130 in chips) Player Info:I just sat down at the table about 8 hands ago. Villain bet me out of a pot after I called pre-flop from the small blind. Right after sitting down, I made a very big play by flat calling the flop against UTG+3 and then re-raising all-in after the board paired on the turn. He folded, and Villain looks pretty smart so far, so he might think that I'm a bluffer.Villain has been a tough cookie so far. He's been betting like crazy on several hands, and has thrown in a bet so far almost every time someone has shown genuine weakness. He also made a tough call, so I'm guessing he's a top bluffing aggressor, but I can't be sure because I have only seen him for about 8 hands.Antes Posted: (225)SB: posts small blind (200)BB: posts big blind (400)*** HOLE CARDS ***[A J ]4 Players Foldcheetaking: raises 800 to 1200CO foldsVillain: calls 12002 Players FoldTotal Pot: 3225*** FLOP *** [5 9 10 ]ugh... an ugly flop for me. Villain is an advanced player, he's seen me bet hard in another hand already, and I'm out of position, so I decide to check.cheetaking: checks Villain: checks *** TURN *** 5 9 10 [9 ]hmm... an interesting card. Now the board has paired, and there is a potential flush out there. Since Villain checked behind me on the flop, I figure that I'll represent either a made flush or a good draw with a small bet, and see what he does.cheetaking: bets 800Villain: raises 2800 to 3600Conventional wisdom would be to fold, but wait a second... this is a bit of an overbet. If he had made the flush or a boat, he knows that I'm an aggressive player. No way would he bet that much. He would flat call and wait for me to bet again on the river. This looks like a bet that does not want a call. And since this guy has made three big bets like this in the last four hands, I don't trust him. And what would he call with pre-flop and then check on the flop? an overpair slightly possibly, definitely a lower pair. A big ace with a spade fits the bill also. A flush, boat, or something like a/10 just doesn't make sense to me. So, I decide that the possibility is worth taking a shot at this pot. By pushing all-in, I figure that he must put me on something good after a raise and a re-raise on a dangerous board.cheetaking: raises 3900 to 7500 and is all-inIs this bet justified or not? Is my logic sound or flawed? Link to post Share on other sites
tripdeuces 0 Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 I kinda like that line but he could be bluff raising you with AQ or AK there as well as smaller pairs. Very read dependent and a close call at best. Link to post Share on other sites
NEtwowilldo 0 Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 Do you still have FE by pushing?? How much more is it to him if you push? Link to post Share on other sites
cheetaking 0 Posted April 26, 2007 Author Share Posted April 26, 2007 The pot size after my push was 10425, and it cost him another 3900 to call. Not small enough to call with just a draw, not big enough to be a suspicious overbet. That's one of the reasons why I did it. It looked like a move that someone with a monster would make. Link to post Share on other sites
cubbybri 0 Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 You may have a bit of fold equity here but if he is the type of player to make the tricky decision bets, he could have a very wide range of hands and be playing any 2 with position. Unfortunately you only have 2 overcards. After only 8 hands, I cannot see any reason except having a feeling that you can get him to fold. You may convince me after a little more time that this is a good read but I think this is a clear fold. And in the short time you have been at the table, you said you have given him reason to think you are a bluffer. So you're fold equity is way reduced IMO. Your initial image may well give a player reason to call with those mid-low pairs and AK AQ 5x.Good idea but save these moves for when you have true read on opponent.So I think your logic is flawed just due to the fact you have not played enough hands with this opponent to have such a good read on him.As well, this could be a value bet and is not an overbet. He is only a bit better than 2/3 the pot. 2800 into a 4025 pot.You are just into the yellow zone and I just feel like you want to get your chips in.You can find much better places to make this move I think.I'm probably rambling but the more I look at this, the more I think you just have to fold and not push. Link to post Share on other sites
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