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I just finished playing in this tournament, and made a move with about 400 left until the money that had me sweating bullets. I'm curious to know whether everyone thinks that this was a good move or a donk bet.GAME: PokerStars $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit, $15,000 guranteed, starting chips: 3000.Blinds: 200/400, 25 ante (Level VII)Game Info: 2160 players started, 650 remain, payout to top 250.9 players at table.UTG + 5: cheetaking (8725 in chips) BUTTON: Villain (15130 in chips) Player Info:I just sat down at the table about 8 hands ago. Villain bet me out of a pot after I called pre-flop from the small blind. Right after sitting down, I made a very big play by flat calling the flop against UTG+3 and then re-raising all-in after the board paired on the turn. He folded, and Villain looks pretty smart so far, so he might think that I'm a bluffer.Villain has been a tough cookie so far. He's been betting like crazy on several hands, and has thrown in a bet so far almost every time someone has shown genuine weakness. He also made a tough call, so I'm guessing he's a top bluffing aggressor, but I can't be sure because I have only seen him for about 8 hands.Antes Posted: (225)SB: posts small blind (200)BB: posts big blind (400)*** HOLE CARDS ***[A :heart: J :diamond:]4 Players Foldcheetaking: raises 800 to 1200CO foldsVillain: calls 12002 Players FoldTotal Pot: 3225*** FLOP *** [5 :spade: 9 :club: 10 :spade:]ugh... an ugly flop for me. Villain is an advanced player, he's seen me bet hard in another hand already, and I'm out of position, so I decide to check.cheetaking: checks Villain: checks *** TURN *** 5 :club: 9 :D 10 :D [9 :spade:]hmm... an interesting card. Now the board has paired, and there is a potential flush out there. Since Villain checked behind me on the flop, I figure that I'll represent either a made flush or a good draw with a small bet, and see what he does.cheetaking: bets 800Villain: raises 2800 to 3600Conventional wisdom would be to fold, but wait a second... this is a bit of an overbet. If he had made the flush or a boat, he knows that I'm an aggressive player. No way would he bet that much. He would flat call and wait for me to bet again on the river. This looks like a bet that does not want a call. And since this guy has made three big bets like this in the last four hands, I don't trust him. And what would he call with pre-flop and then check on the flop? an overpair slightly possibly, definitely a lower pair. A big ace with a spade fits the bill also. A flush, boat, or something like a/10 just doesn't make sense to me. So, I decide that the possibility is worth taking a shot at this pot. By pushing all-in, I figure that he must put me on something good after a raise and a re-raise on a dangerous board.cheetaking: raises 3900 to 7500 and is all-inIs this bet justified or not? Is my logic sound or flawed?

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The pot size after my push was 10425, and it cost him another 3900 to call. Not small enough to call with just a draw, not big enough to be a suspicious overbet. That's one of the reasons why I did it. It looked like a move that someone with a monster would make.

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You may have a bit of fold equity here but if he is the type of player to make the tricky decision bets, he could have a very wide range of hands and be playing any 2 with position. Unfortunately you only have 2 overcards. After only 8 hands, I cannot see any reason except having a feeling that you can get him to fold. You may convince me after a little more time that this is a good read but I think this is a clear fold. And in the short time you have been at the table, you said you have given him reason to think you are a bluffer. So you're fold equity is way reduced IMO. Your initial image may well give a player reason to call with those mid-low pairs and AK AQ 5x.Good idea but save these moves for when you have true read on opponent.So I think your logic is flawed just due to the fact you have not played enough hands with this opponent to have such a good read on him.As well, this could be a value bet and is not an overbet. He is only a bit better than 2/3 the pot. 2800 into a 4025 pot.You are just into the yellow zone and I just feel like you want to get your chips in.You can find much better places to make this move I think.I'm probably rambling but the more I look at this, the more I think you just have to fold and not push.

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