First Level Of A 180

[tripdeuces 0]

I agree seeing the flop but if you get an ace or lower pair to call pre that would better. I dunno both sides have valid points. Besides preflop doesn't involve skill anyway and i don't want to have to be outplayed cause i suck.

[NEtwowilldo 0]

Well were OOP on this hand, so it's going to be easier to be outplayed. On another note this seems like a value raise to me, saying big pair. That's why I'm heiring on the side of caution so much in this hand.

[XXEddie 0]

I honestly dont see why we would fold, or push for that matter. Most of the time we are gonna be either Dominated by AA-QQ or in a coinflip with AK or AQ. But there is SO much action that even some bad players might decide to muck AJ, AT, 88, 99. The only hands I see calling here a good % of the time that we have crushed are TT and AJs.I just call here and play for set value. If you dont flop a J, be prepared to let it go

[NEtwowilldo 0]

I honestly dont see why we would fold, or push for that matter. Most of the time we are gonna be either Dominated by AA-QQ or in a coinflip with AK or AQ. But there is SO much action that even some bad players might decide to muck AJ, AT, 88, 99. The only hands I see calling here a good % of the time that we have crushed are TT and AJs.I just call here and play for set value. If you dont flop a J, be prepared to let it go

QFT, that's what I said.Only difference if it comes ragged, I lead to see if villain has AK or a higher pair, and if he raises big, I let it go. Might be losing more money in the long term that way though, what do you think.

[Zach6668 513]

QFT, that's what I said.

That's what I said like 25 posts ago!

[tripdeuces 0]

Eddie bad players aren't folding AJ there very often.

[HijackedAffairs 0]

You say that as though there are a vast number of candidates for this category! LOLI didn't say I was advising folding, only that it "wasn't a terrible play". I said I would be tempted to call. But the whole idea behind why a squeeze play works is that the players feeling "squeezed" still have several people still to act after them who called the original raise and may now re-reraise or push over top. It's not like you have a ton of chips invested, and by calling you may find yourself getting into a deeper and deeper hole, out of position, without a super strong hand.So I think I've said much more ridiculous things than this! I mean, uh...well, YKWIM.

I would not be worried about the first two callers, they have AA-QQ almost never. If they push it's an easy call as it looks much more like a low pair or a random donkey move.

[SlackerInc 0]

YKWIM = You know what I mean

[HijackedAffairs 0]

YKWIM = You know what I mean

lol ironic...

[SlackerInc 0]

lol ironic...

LOL, true! Didn't think of that.

[Ouch-8s 4]

Well, this one spawned some discussion I'm happy to see.My thoughts:What kinds of hands am I likely to be facing? At this level and this stage, the ranges of the villains are really wide here IMO, most look like they're trying to flop huge hands (especially as the calls mount in front of them), so small PPs, suited/bigger aces, random broadway cards, and (suited) connectors are all possibilities. The hands that I think we can mostly rule out are big PPs (except maybe the button) and random rags.Folding is out of the question. I likely have the best hand here far too often to fold, although maybe not by much.Calling is a possibility, but I then end up in what is becoming a big pot with at least 2 villains (and really probably 4), out of position and with a strong but vulnerable hand. I'm not worried about being crushed by anybody except for the button, and his raise is very strange. If he was squeezing, he didn't bet enough. If he had QQ+, he didn't bet enough (but people at this level do that all the time, even I did it when I only opened for t60, which I agree was a mistake). There are very few flops that I'm going to like from this position with JJ against 4 other players. It feels strange to be playing JJ for set value, and do I jam any flop at is all unders?How about a raise? That pretty much stinks for all the same reasons that a call does, although I may be successful in thinning the field somewhat. God help me if MP2 calls though - the rest may very well follow and then I have a BIG pot to deal with OOP and again few favourable flops. And how much would I raise to? There is no good amount that doesn't commit more than half of my chips. So a raise is out.What if I jam? How does that look to the rest of the table? I raised in EP, a bunch of people showed interest (including a called reraise), and I've shoved - that looks really strong to me (strong enough to fold QQ?). What could happen? Well, everyone could fold, and I pick up t560, which is not a terrible result. I really doubt that anyone except the button might call, but if anyone does, I'm probably either way ahead or racing against a big ace with a lot of dead money in the pot and probably at least a couple of his outs having been mucked, which is a great result. Plus, well, it's really early in a sng, and I'm okay with either doubling up or starting another one. So I'm pretty sure that a jam is the right move here.More discussion is welcome!Results (white):Hero jams3 foldsSB calls with AQhh (obv not who I expected to call).SB fails to improve and Hero picks up t3200+. Great success!

[Zach6668 513]

You must be high if you think a jam folds QQ in a $4.40 180.

[Ouch-8s 4]

You must be high if you think a jam folds QQ in a $4.40 180.

hahaNo, I don't really think so, that's why the question mark.

[copernicus 0]

Button could be raising with anything decent looking to narrow the field..Id say a top 25% hand, SB to play this OOP has to be fairly solid but is getting decent odds so hes got 77+ or AK, AQ. Youre ahead here at least 40-50% of the time, but you dont want to see an A K or Q on the flop. Theres 530 in the pot and with all of those runners you need to make a decent size raise or youre getting callers for odds. Theres 530 in the pot, 120 to call and 650+ to limit callers odds, for a total of 770.In position I can see calling. OOP to a raiser its too easy to get outplayed. Since a raise is so big I can see pushing here.