BeaverStyle 1 Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 I'd come up with a better topic description, but that one is so perfect.... anywhoo....PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)CO (t4550)Button (t2875)SB (t6565)BB (t7185)UTG (t3820)Hero (t9125)MP1 (t8429)MP2 (t4060)Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K , A . 1 fold, Hero raises to t575, 4 folds, SB raises to t6665, 1 fold, Hero ?????.Final Pot: t7440It's most of my stack... it's a $4.40 so I think it's ok to widen his range a bit... do you call here, hopefully against AJ+, 99+? Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 I will play AA/KK/QQ/AK extremely hard. My rule is to never fold these preflop in a 180. I will raise or if there's already a raise before me, I will jam preflop with any of these hands.This is from therrin's thread about $22 180s. He's talking about the first hour, but I think it still applies here, especially since this is a $4.40. Link to post Share on other sites
NEtwowilldo 0 Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 Me, cop, and simo got into a really long thread about this a few weeks ago. Basically the consensus was you have to call because you have a slight edge.I would give you the link to it, but I can't be concerned with all that effort. It's in tourney strat and it's called AK getting squeezed, RISE was the OP. Link to post Share on other sites
RISEorFall 0 Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 Me, cop, and simo got into a really long thread about this a few weeks ago. Basically the consensus was you have to call because you have a slight edge.I would give you the link to it, but I can't be concerned with all that effort. It's in tourney strat and it's called AK getting squeezed, RISE was the OP.wasnt quite the same situation, but i dont see SB doing this with AA or KK or even QQat worst youre racing and at best youre like 65-70%that was basically the consensus Link to post Share on other sites
tripdeuces 0 Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 Shove everyday and twice on Sundays Link to post Share on other sites
Willing 2 Die 0 Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 Definite call. Its either AK or AQ. I think someone with 99 or 10s would flat call here. What was the result? Link to post Share on other sites
Yahkin 0 Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 Without a read on the SB being a maniac, I'm gonna buck the trend a little bit and say that I would fold here. Yes, this is a 4.40...but we are at least half way through the second hour, and decent percentage of the total donks have since moved on to donate their money elsewhere. We are in the stage of the tourney where we should be punishing the middle stacks when we can, but aren't really looking for the huge PF battle without a made hand. 9k almost guarantees a money at this stage of the tourney even if we sat out all the way, so I'd be happy playing small ball and building my stack with blind stealing and the occaisonal pocket monsters. Link to post Share on other sites
BeaverStyle 1 Posted April 25, 2007 Author Share Posted April 25, 2007 Here's my thinking: What kind of decent player makes this bet? None. Try to disagree with me here. You can't.He could have 78os for all I know, and I'm only a 65% favorite against this donk. Bottom line is, I'd rather fold here and not gamble w/ more than half my stack, and what for a better situation against him. Oh, I found a better situation later... Here's this little gem:PokerStars Game #9590943038: Tournament #48671159, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2007/04/24 - 20:26:02 (ET)Table '48671159 4' 9-max Seat #5 is the buttonSeat 1: Nvgltr (3950 in chips)Seat 2: PhoenixPs (4885 in chips)Seat 3: RICK352 (4575 in chips)Seat 4: galochas (7540 in chips)Seat 5: jenna29 (3585 in chips)Seat 6: BigBong_1 (3520 in chips)Seat 7: Beaverstyle (7550 in chips)Seat 8: nasir007 (11429 in chips)Seat 9: Havoc116 (4485 in chips)Nvgltr: posts the ante 25PhoenixPs: posts the ante 25RICK352: posts the ante 25galochas: posts the ante 25jenna29: posts the ante 25BigBong_1: posts the ante 25Beaverstyle: posts the ante 25nasir007: posts the ante 25Havoc116: posts the ante 25BigBong_1: posts small blind 100Beaverstyle: posts big blind 200*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Beaverstyle [Js Jd]nasir007: calls 200Havoc116: foldsNvgltr: foldsPhoenixPs: foldsRICK352: calls 200galochas: raises 1200 to 1400jenna29: foldsBigBong_1: foldsBeaverstyle: calls 1200nasir007: foldsRICK352: folds*** FLOP *** [7s 4h 5h]Beaverstyle: checksgalochas: bets 6115 and is all-inBeaverstyle: calls 6115*** TURN *** [7s 4h 5h] [3s]*** RIVER *** [7s 4h 5h 3s] [2h]*** SHOW DOWN ***Beaverstyle: shows [Js Jd] (a pair of Jacks)galochas: shows [Ad 7d] (a straight, Ace to Five)galochas collected 15755 from potgalochas said, "hhahahahahahahahahahahah"Guy w/ A7 is the same as the AK guy. Seeing how he played this hand now, I definitely regret not calling w/ AK... but my plan worked out, I got it all in against him drawing to 5 outs.It's the backdoor wheel draw that I forget about... lollerskates. lol donkaments.(BTW, against almost any other player, I'd consider folding preflop AND postflop, instead I instacalled and not surprisingly was quite a favorite.) Link to post Share on other sites
tripdeuces 0 Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 If you ever fold Ak or JJ+ in this tournament you are losing money. Only time i would ever fold is if the guy hadn't played a hand in half an hour or more which is quite rare. Link to post Share on other sites
NEtwowilldo 0 Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 If you ever fold Ak or JJ+ in this tournament you are losing money. Only time i would ever fold is if the guy hadn't played a hand in half an hour or more which is quite rare.I don't think always and never should be part of a poker player's vocabulary.I folded QQ preflop a few weeks ago in a small stakes donkament when it was pretty obvious I was beat, against two opponents. One had aces, one had kings. Link to post Share on other sites
tripdeuces 0 Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 I don't think always and never should be part of a poker player's vocabulary.I folded QQ preflop a few weeks ago in a small stakes donkament when it was pretty obvious I was beat, against two opponents. One had aces, one had kings.Net i know what you are thinking here but you didnt notice that i said THIS tournament. These 180s are softer than you think and folding in those spots is something you can't do es[pecially with them filling up every 15 minutes. Link to post Share on other sites
BeaverStyle 1 Posted April 26, 2007 Author Share Posted April 26, 2007 I play a lot of $4.40's and have won about 4, final tabled many others... I make this fold here about 50% of the time.. Is it so wrong to fold AK for about 3/4 of my stack, with no solid read except "donk"?Obviously I can get my money in against someone like that with a much better OBVIOUS edge... but then they suck out, so i guess i should call all ins w/ AK. Link to post Share on other sites
tripdeuces 0 Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 Well its not wrong at all to fold its just a drawing hand and dominates no hands that shove there. The value in this call comes later when you have a huge stack and bully people around. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 Well its not wrong at all to fold its just a drawing hand and dominates no hands that shove there. The value in this call comes later when you have a huge stack and bully people around.I disagree with the statement that AK doesn't dominate a shoving hand there. Link to post Share on other sites
BeaverStyle 1 Posted April 26, 2007 Author Share Posted April 26, 2007 I disagree with the statement that AK doesn't dominate a shoving hand there.Yeah, I agree. Maybe my thinking in this hand was more based on the fact that I'd rather have a made hand against this type of villain where I am more than 50% sure that I'm ahead.It's not hard to do in $4.40's. Link to post Share on other sites
tripdeuces 0 Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 So Zach I can see AQ shoving here but thats the only hand. Am i missing something? Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 So Zach I can see AQ shoving here but thats the only hand. Am i missing something?Beaver's read: "donk". Link to post Share on other sites
BeaverStyle 1 Posted April 26, 2007 Author Share Posted April 26, 2007 Beaver's read: "donk".Who isn't a donk who makes that reraise?Answer me that! Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 Who isn't a donk who makes that reraise?Answer me that!8th level thinking dude... 8th... Link to post Share on other sites
BeaverStyle 1 Posted April 26, 2007 Author Share Posted April 26, 2007 lol donkamentsSuch an appropriate response. Link to post Share on other sites
tripdeuces 0 Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 Well to be honest ill make huge pushes against people like that alot with huge hands knowing a greater percentage of the time i will get paid off and stack an opponent with AJ. Jus' sayin' Link to post Share on other sites
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