Hit N Run

[Kwest4chipz 0]

I'm just wondering what people do when they double up within the first couple hands. I moved up a little in stakes and started at a .05/.10 10 seat cash game.. I got AA and got re-raised all in by AJ pre-flop and won. I had 9 dollars and started with 5. Then the cards just went cold and I lost it all back. Is hitting and running a good strategy for online? I usually don't leave if I score big but the last couple times i've doubled my starting amount, it seems like I get hit with cooler after cooler immediately after and wind up breakin even or slightly below.sorry if there is a topic about this already, i couldn't find one.

[TR1N1TY 0]

I moved up a little in stakes and started at a .05/.10 10 seat cash game..Is hitting and running a good strategy for online? I usually don't leave if I score big

O RLY

[Kwest4chipz 0]

no i'm kidding

[James D 0]

It doesn't make any difference, in terms of long term success. A session can be as long as you want it to be, yes, but as long as you're playing your game, it will not matter... ultimately. Just the same as, if those aces had lost.

[Kwest4chipz 0]

alright I just wondered if doubling up and immediately leaving was more +ev at a NL table than sitting there and playing more. I guess I mean what do other people do, leave or stay with the bigger stack and try and double that.

[Lofa Tatupu 0]

people usually have it backward, they keep playing when they're losing and then end up going on tilt, making their loss even bigger than it should be. Whereas a win, people might start playing weak-tight just so they don't lose their winnings. Just keep playing if you feel like you have an edge. You're playing 10NL, so I hope you have one.

[aucu 3]

alright I just wondered if doubling up and immediately leaving was more +ev at a NL table than sitting there and playing more. I guess I mean what do other people do, leave or stay with the bigger stack and try and double that.

No the larger your stack the greater the advantage.

[Kwest4chipz 0]

ok well this was kind of a trial run on a step higher stakes. Was just curious if people took their winnings and bailed out, or continued trying to build it.

[James D 0]

ok well this was kind of a trial run on a step higher stakes. Was just curious if people took their winnings and bailed out, or continued trying to build it.

Bailed out to where? You're gonna play again arn't you, so as long as you're table selection is good, playing within correct BR limits and are able to beat the level that you're playing, it's essentially one big long session.If you feel you have a particular edge over a certain table, then it's obviously wise to continue to play.

[Kwest4chipz 0]

yah i see your point, i guess i'm speaking as with a limited roll and maybe playing a little outside of your roll. I should have been a little more descriptive. I've been nursing a small roll on UB for awhile now and got it up a little bit so i thought I'd try .05/.10 nl, insteaad of my normal .02/.04. I don't know if that changes anything, I see alot of people however hit big and immediately leave the table so I just wondered if I was missing some kind of strategy.

[James D 0]

Nope... I guess I can see where you are coming from too. But you've gotta reverse the thought process on this one.The only situation I think where it would be correct to hit n run, is if you are playing with players far better than you.e.g - if I happened to somehow end up playing on a table with Ivey, Antonius and Townsend and won a big pot, I'd feel that 'running' would be a +ev decision for me.(yeah, I'm a humble guy... they are the only 3 better players than me in the world

[Lofa Tatupu 0]

e.g - if I happened to somehow end up playing on a table with Ivey, Antonius and Townsend and won a big pot, I'd feel that 'running' would be a +ev decision for me.(yeah, I'm a humble guy... they are the only 3 better players than me in the world

I've never heard of those 3 donks..

[Kwest4chipz 0]

e.g - if I happened to somehow end up playing on a table with Ivey, Antonius and Townsend and won a big pot, I'd feel that 'running' would be a +ev decision for me.(yeah, I'm a humble guy... they are the only 3 better players than me in the world

LMAO...well thanks for the feedback, I got back to about even and called it quits...I'll wait til my roll can handle it and in that one scenario, I probably would have been better off leaving. I totally agree with your analysis though, I just tested the waters and even though I probably can hold my own, my br can't afford a miscalculation.

[Webslayer 0]

Hitting and running on party used to be quite profitable. I once did a test on the limit tables there, 1/2-50/100. I used to min buy in just after the button and play a max of 3 orbits. Usually I would leave by the time the blinds hit me. I managed to keep about 32BB/100 hands for over 50k hands doing this. I wasn't sure if a theory one of friend had was right or just that when people tend to make bad decisions against a new player that it would make that much of a difference. Who knows....

[Kwest4chipz 0]

Hitting and running on party used to be quite profitable. I once did a test on the limit tables there, 1/2-50/100. I used to min buy in just after the button and play a max of 3 orbits. Usually I would leave by the time the blinds hit me. I managed to keep about 32BB/100 hands for over 50k hands doing this. I wasn't sure if a theory one of friend had was right or just that when people tend to make bad decisions against a new player that it would make that much of a difference. Who knows....

that is interesting though, I might test it again sometime

[James D 0]

Hitting and running on party used to be quite profitable. I once did a test on the limit tables there, 1/2-50/100. I used to min buy in just after the button and play a max of 3 orbits. Usually I would leave by the time the blinds hit me. I managed to keep about 32BB/100 hands for over 50k hands doing this. I wasn't sure if a theory one of friend had was right or just that when people tend to make bad decisions against a new player that it would make that much of a difference. Who knows....

This is dependent on buying in short-stacked... I've been assured before that there is a viable long-term hit n run strategy to this, but personally (just one opinion on a forum of thousands, however), I wouldn't recommend it.I'm a Cardrunners guy, I don't get the whole short stack thing. If you are gonna do it though, I'd try to learn something vaguely approaching optimal strategy on it.

[mase_gotsem 0]

No the larger your stack the greater the advantage.

yes and no the larger your stack the more profit you can make in one hand . if you watch berry greenstein play he always min buys and this can be a very profitable situation . your more incline to follow through on your draws and if you hit you usually get paid off . i can usually min buy a 25. 50 cent for say 20 bux and leave with 100 very quickly but my short stack cash game is better than my deepstack i would say . so play how you feel if you buy in shrt and run it up quick theres nothing wrong with leaving especialy in micro online theres plenty of action

[navybuttons 15]

i haven't read the responses, so i don't know if this a flame thread or not.this seems like a strat post so i'll give a strat answer.the MOST important thing in poker longevity is bankroll management. whether your a tournament professional, a mid-limit grinder, or phil ivey, if you want to take poker seriously as a long term money maker there is nothing more important. anti-tilt powers is the second but if you practice good br management (stop loss) anti-tilt is obviously second.to the specific question at hand. i always answer questions by taking them semi out of context so bare with me. but if you had $100 as the rest of your life's bankroll, you shouldn't buy into a game for more than $5 (20% of your entire bankroll). lets say you bought into a game for $5 and doubled up on the first hand. now your total bankroll is $105 and on that table you have $10 (close to 11% of your bankroll). any decision you make the rest of the time at the table is going to be against the most important thing in poker. leaving the table then becomes a long term +EV move.i hope you get what i'm going at.goodluck.

[Webslayer 0]

This is dependent on buying in short-stacked... I've been assured before that there is a viable long-term hit n run strategy to this, but personally (just one opinion on a forum of thousands, however), I wouldn't recommend it.I'm a Cardrunners guy, I don't get the whole short stack thing. If you are gonna do it though, I'd try to learn something vaguely approaching optimal strategy on it.

For NL, I always buyin/rebuy to a full stack. There are too many idiots in poker that will push/call all in with crappy hands. If you have to min buy, you probably shouldn't be playing that high of a table. For limit, which was what I was talking about above, past the 12BB or so you need in case you cap it all the way, it doesn't matter if you have anymore in your stack.

to the specific question at hand. i always answer questions by taking them semi out of context so bare with me. but if you had $100 as the rest of your life's bankroll, you shouldn't buy into a game for more than $5 (5% of your entire bankroll). lets say you bought into a game for $5 and doubled up on the first hand. now your total bankroll is $105 and on that table you have $10 (close to 11% of your bankroll). any decision you make the rest of the time at the table is going to be against the most important thing in poker. leaving the table then becomes a long term +EV move.

Sorry, I don't usually like correcting people on simple mistakes like these. I just don't want anyone that may read this to get confused...

[Kwest4chipz 0]

yah after reading all the responses, I think that navy has a valid point. I was playing outside of my roll, so when i doubled i should have cut and run. I tested the waters, and it just validated that I need to stay at .02/.04 until my roll can sustain a step up. Or if I do take a stab at .05/.10 and double like that I should take my chips and leave. I think just staying at my stake level is the best decision tho. Thanks again guys for the input.

[Webslayer 0]

yah after reading all the responses, I think that navy has a valid point. I was playing outside of my roll, so when i doubled i should have cut and run. I tested the waters, and it just validated that I need to stay at .02/.04 until my roll can sustain a step up. Or if I do take a stab at .05/.10 and double like that I should take my chips and leave. I think just staying at my stake level is the best decision tho. Thanks again guys for the input.

Yeah good call.... Poor money management is the root of all evil. It is looking like I may have to drop down with you too... I am on a wicked downswing... I was pushing it a little hard and playing a tad out side the BRs I am working with and I almost felted myself... Which wouldn't of been good. I am now stuck with a $20 cashgame BR and a $65 sng BR... Moving up is taking WAAAYYY longer than initially expected...

[mln_falcon 0]

I was going to say what navybuttons said. It depends on your bankroll size. Today I had worked my stack up to 4 times what i normally by in for, which resulted ins approximately 15-20% of my bankroll being on the table. I managed to get it aipf against a lagtard, who covered me, with AK vs A2 and I got a Bad Beat. If I had left when i had originally made my big score or soon after I would have grown my bankroll by 10%ish, and moved on to a different table. This bankroll management becomes even more important the higher the varience of the game.

[Kwest4chipz 0]

yah at the site i was playing at I only have like 25ish dollars, actually about 35ish spread on 2 accounts. I was doing fine grinding at the lower limits just got impatient and was trying to make something happen, doubled up..(the tease) then got severely coolered after that and wound up about even, a lil under...So I split before it got real ugly.

[moto67e 0]

I play mostly in B&M casinos and what I've been doing lately is this, The game I play in is $100nl the blinds are $2 and $3 so when you buy in you start out short stack with only 33 bb. ( I know it's not a great game but thats how they do it in So Cal). Anyways, My goal everyday is to get up by 200 to 300 dollars and then leave. My reasoning is this , I'm there to make money not socialize or drink or play for hours, what used to happen to me is that I would get up about 200 or 300 dollars and then lose a pot that would put me down maybe 100 or so and then even though I was still up it would feel like I was down and I would try to get back my losses too fast and end up tilting off more money. So for me it works better to leave when I get up a couple of hundred dollars and come back the next day. It's might not work for everybody but so far it works for me.

[James D 0]

I play mostly in B&M casinos and what I've been doing lately is this, The game I play in is $100nl the blinds are $2 and $3 so when you buy in you start out short stack with only 33 bb. ( I know it's not a great game but thats how they do it in So Cal). Anyways, My goal everyday is to get up by 200 to 300 dollars and then leave. My reasoning is this , I'm there to make money not socialize or drink or play for hours, what used to happen to me is that I would get up about 200 or 300 dollars and then lose a pot that would put me down maybe 100 or so and then even though I was still up it would feel like I was down and I would try to get back my losses too fast and end up tilting off more money. So for me it works better to leave when I get up a couple of hundred dollars and come back the next day. It's might not work for everybody but so far it works for me.

I think this is slightly blurring the lines between hitting and running (in the sense that the OP meant), and just having a winning session.