About Damn Time !

[BigDMcGee 3,353]

Nine countries that have executed juvenile offenders since 1990 include China, D.R. Congo, Iran, Nigeria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, the U.S.

One of these things is not like the others... one of these things is not the same.

really compaired to other things that are already capital punishment crimes why not? Most other countries have capital punishment for drug trafficking and the arguement for that are easily transferable to rape.

Most other countries like China, D.R. Congo, Iran, Nigeria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Sudan. What delightful company to be in.

[BigDMcGee 3,353]

I agree that the criminal justice system should be based on logic and reason. In my eyes seeing it first hand **** em. I feel eye for an eye is the way to go. Its bullshi*t to watch these people get special cells to keep outta of general population in prison. You say stop spending our tax dollars well the problem it wont happen cause people like you think they need to go the court ways. Do you know how much money is spent on guys on death row. Here in ohio its unreal. The fact of the matter the more we have in prison the more money we spend on taxes. So i say kill everyone one that is sentence to life. Then the only reason we need prisons is for the ones that have a chance to get out.

I know exactly how much money is spent on guys on death row. This is one of the very biggest reasons why I don't think the death penalty should be extended. I'm not sure exactly what " people like me think they need to go the court ways". You mean things like have trials and appeals? You don't think something like taking someone's life for a crime should be a serious process, where me absolutely do every thing we can to make sure the person was guilty? If you want to do away with silly things like appeals and due process, I suggest you move to a country like China, D.R. Congo, Iran, Nigeria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Sudan. They seem to share your jurisprudential philosophy.

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Most other countries like China, D.R. Congo, Iran, Nigeria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Sudan. What delightful company to be in.

Dont let that stat fool you. While we keep AWFUL company in this regard 69 countries still use capital punishment for adults. 10 more retain it, but only for crimes committed in exceptional circumstances (such as crimes committed in time of war). 29 other countries maintain laws permitting the use of the death penalty for ordinary crimes, but have allowed the death penalty to fall into disuse for at least 10 years.Blue = Abolished for all crimesGreen= Abolished for crimes not committed in exceptional circumstances (such as crimes committed in time of war)Orange=Abolished in PracticeRed=Legal Form of Punishmentnote that most of the red is africa and the middle east. Most of the blue is europe.

[BigDMcGee 3,353]

Dont let that stat fool you. While we keep AWFUL company in this regard 69 countries still use capital punishment for adults. 10 more retain it, but only for crimes committed in exceptional circumstances (such as crimes committed in time of war). 29 other countries maintain laws permitting the use of the death penalty for ordinary crimes, but have allowed the death penalty to fall into disuse for at least 10 years.Blue = Abolished for all crimesGreen= Abolished for crimes not committed in exceptional circumstances (such as crimes committed in time of war)Orange=Abolished in PracticeRed=Legal Form of Punishmentnote that most of the red is africa and the middle east. Most of the blue is europe.

I wasn't letting that stat fool me, I was stating that countries that use capital punishmen, with a couple notable exceptions, are totalitarian, backwards sh*tholes I'd never want to live in. And again, this supports my theory that the US justice system is in limbo. I bet violent crime rates are much lower in say, Saudia Arabia than they are here. But in order to get the death penalty to be a deterrent like it is in these countries, you'd have to strip away many rights, many freedoms and many levels of due process. Is that the kind of society you want to live in?

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BigD seems to be making a lot of sense in this thread.

[BigDMcGee 3,353]

BigD seems to be making a lot of sense in this thread.

A rare but beautiful event.

[myenemy 0]

I feel, in general, that the United States' criminal justice system is in some limbo between that of a modern free society and that of totalitarian society. Being on that kind of fence is no way to run a railroad, and just produces a vast prison system that doubles as a finishing school and networking venue for career criminals. THe US needs to pick a side of the fence. Either totally rehaul the prison system towards rehabilitation, or turn up the screws and start chopping off some arms, castrating sex offenders and public stonings.

I vote #2.

[BigDMcGee 3,353]

I vote #2.

I'd expect nothing less from the hitler youth.

[Miguel McHarris 0]

The death penalty is useless. More executions take place in the south yet the crime rate remains higher. If you really wanna punish someone make them rot away in a cell for the rest of their lives. I'd only agree with rehab if a prisoner agreed to do hard labor. Then you'd have a win/win situation.

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And for the viscerally inclined, child rapists have a very high prison morality rate...

[iowahawk09 0]

The real question that needs to be addressed is whether the death penalty would lower the rate of child molestations/rape occuring. If the answer is yes, then I think it would be beneficial to our society. If your still stupid and disgusting enough to rape a child when you know you could be put to death, then good riddens.If it does not lower the rate or number of offenders than it is not necessary and should be avoided.How we would ever test that theory, I will leave up to you all.

[BigDMcGee 3,353]

thanks for contributing to the discussion.

[BigDMcGee 3,353]

The real question that needs to be addressed is whether the death penalty would lower the rate of child molestations/rape occuring. If the answer is yes, then I think it would be beneficial to our society. If your still stupid and disgusting enough to rape a child when you know you could be put to death, then good riddens.If it does not lower the rate or number of offenders than it is not necessary and should be avoided.How we would ever test that theory, I will leave up to you all.

The death penalty, as used in the united states, deters nothing. Study after study have shown it's utter failure as a murder deterrent. One can only assume that the DP applied to child rape, a crime that correlates even higher to severe mental illness and developmental disorders ( AKA retards) than murder, would show the same lack of effectiveness. This law has everthing to do with revenge and nothing to do with deterrence, don't kid yourselves.

[LongLiveYorke 38]

In my opinion, the death penalty is one of the more cut and dry issues of contemporary American politics. It's nearly impossible to come up with a convincing argument for it. I find it surprising that it is still around in America. Gun control, on the other hand.....

[BigDMcGee 3,353]

In my opinion, the death penalty is one of the more cut and dry issues of contemporary American politics. It's nearly impossible to come up with a convincing argument for it. I find it surprising that it is still around in America. Gun control, on the other hand.....

I agree so much. There are no logical, rational arguments for the death penalty that hold up under any sort of scrutiny The only argument I really have no answer for is the revenge one.. that the people did something so horrible, that the deserve to die, and if a few innocent people get executed along the way *shrug* thats the price you pay for justice. I don't have any answer for that, except I think it's barbaric, morally bankrupt, and medieval. A modern, post-industrial democratic society should have cast it aside long ago.

[7upncider 0]

If the death penalty was used to deter people from committing crimes then i would understand these argruements. As is we hardly ever put people to death compared to the people on death row. its unreal the amount of people going through the process. Problem is if we were to put people to death the way it should be done then it would deter them from committiing crimes. Its been proven time and again in countries that have the punishment like the eye for an eye theory. You rob someone you lose a hand you kill someone you lose your life. all in due process though. but once its proven no more appeals thats what has happened to this country.

[BigDMcGee 3,353]

If the death penalty was used to deter people from committing crimes then i would understand these argruements. As is we hardly ever put people to death compared to the people on death row. its unreal the amount of people going through the process. Problem is if we were to put people to death the way it should be done then it would deter them from committiing crimes. Its been proven time and again in countries that have the punishment like the eye for an eye theory. You rob someone you lose a hand you kill someone you lose your life. all in due process though. but once its proven no more appeals thats what has happened to this country.

We both agree that the death penalty would be more effective if we enforced it more often. The difference is you want to live in a fear gripped totalitarian state like Sandia Arabia and I don't.

[Dirtydutch 8]

I have ZERO idea how I feel about the penal system, other than that I find it to be sick. I'd prolly feel less that way if most of my hobbies weren't crimes, or if most crimes weren't some stupid religious or political game.

[7upncider 0]

We both agree that the death penalty would be more effective if we enforced it more often. The difference is you want to live in a fear gripped totalitarian state like Sandia Arabia and I don't.

Im not wanting nothing like that. If they are proven to be guilty without a shadow of a doubt then yes put them to death. I would never want our country to be like that. To be scared to do anything in fear that your head could be chopped off. No i said nothing of the sort. I simply said if your guilty pay the crime. If people are scared to commit the crime then people wont do it right. hmmm. I would never want to live in a country where if the government says you done something wrong your dead on the spot thats crazy. But i do think if you are proven guilty without a shadow of doubt im fine with em taking them out and punishing them accordingly. Eye for and eye kinda thing.

[FoxwoodsPro 0]

NOTT saying I did this but what if you were 18 and let a 15 year old pleasure you at her equest, scale 1-10 how bad is that?

[bobbywithani 0]

Eye for and eye kinda thing.

This argument is so flawed unless you are jewish. Living in a christian dominated society I am surprised that so many christians use eye for an eye as a basis for punishment. In the New Testament Jesus recanted on the Old Testament law and even specifically said to not go by an eye for an eye anymore.

[LongLiveYorke 38]

NOTT saying I did this but what if you were 18 and let a 15 year old pleasure you at her equest, scale 1-10 how bad is that?

Personally, I'd say about a 2. But that's just me.

[SuitedAces21 2,723]

NOTT saying I did this but what if you were 18 and let a 15 year old pleasure you at her equest, scale 1-10 how bad is that?

What if you were 21 and she was 15, but told you she was 17, but you wouldnt have cared anyways, and you banged her?

[FoxwoodsPro 0]

blowjizzle, ya it was me, i said f ittttttttt

[SuperJon 175]

What if you were 21 and she was 15, but told you she was 17, but you wouldnt have cared anyways, and you banged her?

I'm as old as you want me to be.