daniel negreanu, question for ya

[Dennis187 0]

Here is the question, hopefully you will read this and I am hoping that you get back to me... anyways, here it goes.Do you regularly play in the "big game" 4k/8k??? Or do you regularly play in the $400/$800 game at the Bellagio. You see my friend and I got in a discussion and I was under the impression that you played the 4k/8k regularly as your primary cash game... please update us on your status and which cash game you play the most (what limit, I know over 200/400 the games are mostly rotated)And 2nd, if you do regularly play in the 4k/8k game, it is mostly all proffesionals and well known ones. Good players that have alot of background in the game. I know this has probably been adressed before but I searched the forums and couldnt find this answer. Doesnt the money just rotate between you all? I mean how does one player come out ontop a winner where others dont? I am guessing that, you Daniel are a winner at this game from checking out some of your stats. So if there are some winners, then there must be losers... but then again how do they stay in the game if they are losers? LOL! Please clear this up for me if you could... I really appreciate it...Dennis187

[MikeR 0]

I am guessing that, you Daniel are a winner at this game from checking out some of your stats.

Hahahahahaha, hey man, can you post some of his stats? My version of pokertracker doesn't spy on the big game.

[dna4ever 2]

I am guessing that, you Daniel are a winner at this game from checking out some of your stats.

Hahahahahaha, hey man, can you post some of his stats? My version of pokertracker doesn't spy on the big game.

While I realize you have a picture of Helmuth and your first instincts are to be a d*ck [sw] I think he was referring to the stats Daniels posts here at http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...opic.php?t=7981

[MikeR 0]

I am guessing that, you Daniel are a winner at this game from checking out some of your stats.

Hahahahahaha, hey man, can you post some of his stats? My version of pokertracker doesn't spy on the big game.

While I realize you have a picture of Helmuth and your first instincts are to be a d*ck [sw] I think he was referring to the stats Daniels posts here at http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...opic.php?t=7981

It just made me laugh! Honest, it made me chuckle, no hard feelings whatsoever. And Just because I ahve a picture of Helmuth doesn't mean I act like him. Pokerstars is full of dog and 3 yr old pictures but I don't think the majority of those guys pee on trees or shit in their pants.

[Dennis187 0]

Well thanks for the reply guys, but I am really looking for a reply from Daniel Negreanu here... so bump bumpity bump bump... 8)

[DanielNegreanu 141]

Look in the "Daniel in 2005" forum and you'll see that there are no $400-800 sessions listed.

[Jimbo29 0]

Tough call ...

[Dennis187 0]

Look in the "Daniel in 2005" forum and you'll see that there are no $400-800 sessions listed.

Cool, well then the question is with so many pros in that game, so many of the top players how do you consistently win money at it??? If you could Daniel, please reply too this...

[justblaze 0]

Look in the "Daniel in 2005" forum and you'll see that there are no $400-800 sessions listed.

Cool, well then the question is with so many pros in that game, so many of the top players how do you consistently win money at it??? If you could Daniel, please reply too this...

check his journal from two days ago. all it takes is 1 tourist.

[Stylistic 0]

DN plays 4k 8k and made about 4.2k an hour avg. That's like anyone playing 4/8 limits and making 4.2 dollars an hour. 4 bucks an hour for playing 4/8? Pros often believe that you can make a big bet an hour. However, since this is a big game with great players, it is hard to make much and I can see why DN only made 4.2k an hour . 4k an hour seems like a lot of money but when you play 4k/8k, that's a different story t

[deviper 0]

DN plays 4k 8k and made about 4.2k an hour avg. That's like anyone playing 4/8 limits and making 4.2 dollars an hour. 4 bucks an hour for playing 4/8? Pros often believe that you can make a big bet an hour. However, since this is a big game with great players, it is hard to make much and I can see why DN only made 4.2k an hour . 4k an hour seems like a lot of money but when you play 4k/8k, that's a different story t

you have to understand that there is not always a 4k-8k game going. looke at dannys cash games results and ull see there is 1500-3000 and 2000-4000 in the mix so that brings his average down, and it only lists wat hes played so far THIS YEAR. if he were to only play in the 4k-8k game that 4.2k dollars an hour would be much bigger. hes only played like 70 hours so far which isent alot.

[Dennis187 0]

Look in the "Daniel in 2005" forum and you'll see that there are no $400-800 sessions listed.

Cool, well then the question is with so many pros in that game, so many of the top players how do you consistently win money at it??? If you could Daniel, please reply too this...

bumpy bumpyDaniel if you could answer that above question, about how do you consistently win money at the game, that would be great. I really dont want any game theory or strat answer, just an overview.I mean do you guys just wait for each other to go on tilt and try to soak it out during those points? What is the main way you can consistently win at it. The reason I want this answered is because your good friend Sklansky states that if everyone at the game is even, and everyone has good game theory and strategy over the long run there will be no winner, everything will even out...So what is your response???

[TJ_Eckleburg 0]

Daniel's got a pretty crazy life. If you'd click through the links other people have posted in response or search this site AT ALL, you'd find the answers to the questions you're asking.Yes the 4k/8k game is entirely pros. Doyle Brunson, Jennifer Harman, Chau Giang, Eli Elezera, Phil Ivey, Gus Hansen, Barry Greenstein, Lyle Berman, they're all a rotating mix. They don't just play hold'em though, the game is a mix of limit/PL hold'em, limit/PL omaha or O8, stud and stud/8, triple draw, and whatever. Some pros are better at some games than others, which is why some pros show a greater win (or loss) than others.Not to be rude, but I'm kind of surprised Daniel replied at all. That's what makes him cool, because he does occassionally reply to banal stuff like this. Just don't think he's any less cool if he ever doesn't reply to equally banal stuff.

[Emptyeye 0]

I'm curious to as the answer myself, actually.Though I imagine it's as stated above--Daniel has said that when the game is on its home turf, anyone with the buyin is more than welcome to play providing there's an open seat at the table. I presume most of the "profit" comes from these players who just want a chance to hobnob with professionals or whatnot.I'm just speculating, of course. It's also possible that DN is just better than even the top pros who play the big game.

[Dennis187 0]

Daniel's got a pretty crazy life. If you'd click through the links other people have posted in response or search this site AT ALL, you'd find the answers to the questions you're asking.Yes the 4k/8k game is entirely pros. Doyle Brunson, Jennifer Harman, Chau Giang, Eli Elezera, Phil Ivey, Gus Hansen, Barry Greenstein, Lyle Berman, they're all a rotating mix. They don't just play hold'em though, the game is a mix of limit/PL hold'em, limit/PL omaha or O8, stud and stud/8, triple draw, and whatever. Some pros are better at some games than others, which is why some pros show a greater win (or loss) than others.Not to be rude, but I'm kind of surprised Daniel replied at all. That's what makes him cool, because he does occassionally reply to banal stuff like this. Just don't think he's any less cool if he ever doesn't reply to equally banal stuff.

Easy to point out the obvious, but I think that winning strategy goes deeper than this. If if you have read any of my other posts, or even this one I have stated already that I have searched the site for the answer for which I am seeking and it is not there. Because either one, the thread is so old that it is now gone off the forum, or two I just cant find it.Your response was very rude, and I will not go any further than that. I am waiting for a response from Daniel as he is more than capable of responding too this. And by the way, Emptyeye is looking for the same response as well... so that makes two of us...Daniel, response time... :-)

[offsuitbluff 0]

it does seem like the money would just rotate between pros.someone is loosing though, someone out of that group of players is going back to 1/2k every now and then to build up a roll to play in the big game.

[fuzznucket 0]

Here is the question, hopefully you will read this and I am hoping that you get back to me... anyways, here it goes.Do you regularly play in the "big game" 4k/8k??? Or do you regularly play in the $400/$800 game at the Bellagio. You see my friend and I got in a discussion and I was under the impression that you played the 4k/8k regularly as your primary cash game... please update us on your status and which cash game you play the most (what limit, I know over 200/400 the games are mostly rotated)And 2nd, if you do regularly play in the 4k/8k game, it is mostly all proffesionals and well known ones. Good players that have alot of background in the game. I know this has probably been adressed before but I searched the forums and couldnt find this answer. Doesnt the money just rotate between you all? I mean how does one player come out ontop a winner where others dont? I am guessing that, you Daniel are a winner at this game from checking out some of your stats. So if there are some winners, then there must be losers... but then again how do they stay in the game if they are losers? LOL! Please clear this up for me if you could... I really appreciate it...Dennis187

I'm speaking purely from common sense here:The big game does exist. Daniel has made a profit playing in it this year. That means that the rest of the people who have played in the game this year have combined to lose the amount that Daniel has won (not including the rake). Will everything even out over the long haul? I don't know, but probably not. I play in a home game, we are all amateurs and have about the same knowledge of the game, but there are consistent winners and losers. Granted, we're not talking about the same type of money at stake, but your asking of 'How do they stay in the game if they are losers?' seems like it has a simple answer. I'm guessing that they are able to withstand the losses, either because they destroy the lower limits when the big game isn't going, or because they have another source of wealth. How could there be any poker professionals if there aren't people that consistently lose money to them? How could there be 'top pros' without the existence of lesser pros? To go further, if some pros are better than others, wouldn't it make sense that some top pros are better than others? Your logic will lead to the conclusion that profitable poker cash games cannot exist. It seems like you are saying that if someone loses money overall in the big game, they would no longer play in that game. But, they are pros, so they aren't just going to quit playing poker. So what should they do? Your answer seems to be that they should give up trying to beat the big game and move back down a limit to the game just below the big game. Well, this would just continue to spiral downwards, as once the biggest loser at the game (who we'll call "Player A") moves down, the next biggest loser takes his/her place and this new "Player A" and should then move also move down. Eventually you're down to "Player A" vs. the best player (who we'll call "Phil Ivey"). After "Player A" loses and moves down, "Phil Ivey" has nobody else to play with in the big game. So then he moves down a limit and the cycle continues.

[Swift_Psycho 1]

Daniel's got a pretty crazy life. If you'd click through the links other people have posted in response or search this site AT ALL, you'd find the answers to the questions you're asking.Yes the 4k/8k game is entirely pros. Doyle Brunson, Jennifer Harman, Chau Giang, Eli Elezera, Phil Ivey, Gus Hansen, Barry Greenstein, Lyle Berman, they're all a rotating mix. They don't just play hold'em though, the game is a mix of limit/PL hold'em, limit/PL omaha or O8, stud and stud/8, triple draw, and whatever. Some pros are better at some games than others, which is why some pros show a greater win (or loss) than others.Not to be rude, but I'm kind of surprised Daniel replied at all. That's what makes him cool, because he does occassionally reply to banal stuff like this. Just don't think he's any less cool if he ever doesn't reply to equally banal stuff.

Easy to point out the obvious, but I think that winning strategy goes deeper than this. If if you have read any of my other posts, or even this one I have stated already that I have searched the site for the answer for which I am seeking and it is not there. Because either one, the thread is so old that it is now gone off the forum, or two I just cant find it.Your response was very rude, and I will not go any further than that. I am waiting for a response from Daniel as he is more than capable of responding too this. And by the way, Emptyeye is looking for the same response as well... so that makes two of us...Daniel, response time... :-)

What the hell are you talking about? TJ's response wasn't rude at all. Try pointing out where it was. Can't do it, can you?

[flyingmoose 0]

Daniel's got a pretty crazy life. If you'd click through the links other people have posted in response or search this site AT ALL, you'd find the answers to the questions you're asking.Yes the 4k/8k game is entirely pros. Doyle Brunson, Jennifer Harman, Chau Giang, Eli Elezera, Phil Ivey, Gus Hansen, Barry Greenstein, Lyle Berman, they're all a rotating mix. They don't just play hold'em though, the game is a mix of limit/PL hold'em, limit/PL omaha or O8, stud and stud/8, triple draw, and whatever. Some pros are better at some games than others, which is why some pros show a greater win (or loss) than others.Not to be rude, but I'm kind of surprised Daniel replied at all. That's what makes him cool, because he does occassionally reply to banal stuff like this. Just don't think he's any less cool if he ever doesn't reply to equally banal stuff.

Easy to point out the obvious, but I think that winning strategy goes deeper than this. If if you have read any of my other posts, or even this one I have stated already that I have searched the site for the answer for which I am seeking and it is not there. Because either one, the thread is so old that it is now gone off the forum, or two I just cant find it.Your response was very rude, and I will not go any further than that. I am waiting for a response from Daniel as he is more than capable of responding too this. And by the way, Emptyeye is looking for the same response as well... so that makes two of us...Daniel, response time... :-)

Do you honestly think Daniel can sum up what makes him a winner at the toughest game in a single post? I'm honestly confused by your question.

[srharris22 0]

I really like the OP idea, i mean in every book they tell you to look for a game you can beat! That is the way to make money, to be the best player at the table. My thought is something like the scene in Rounders when they travel to the Taj in AC. All 5-6 of those grinders sitting there and they just feast on the 2-3 tourists that rotate in and out of the table. They may get in a few pots together but try to stay out of each others way.But the point is great that there has to be one constant player that is losing in that crew I have to believe, all i hear about Gus is that he has been known to get stuck for 1 million dollars and then get even or even up that much in 1 session. WOW!I would not be surprised that daniel won't reply as he runs the risk of insulting either a top level pro or paint a target on one or more obvious high dollar fish(es) and then all of the sudden he is the guy that costs everyone about .5-1 million a year as those 3-4 players won't show up any more.just a thought, but i like the question, why head to the biggest game when you know it is the toughest to beat except for pride/braggin rights or you know there are enough fish to feed the sharks daily/weekly. or maybe 4.2 k on a 4/8k table is not bad and daniel only takes down less that 2bb and hour at the 1/2k table and there for the 4/8k table is more profitable. aka less that 4k on 1/2k an hour or 4.2k on 4/8k. gotta quite rambling off to bed

[jlgosse 0]

I'm assuming they make alot of money from wealthy people, tourists, and "pros" who aren't that good at cash games.

[pockets 0]

Daniel wins because he's good at poker.Wow, that was easy!

[srharris22 0]

pockets Posted: Mon, Apr 25th, 2005 9:04 Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Daniel wins because he's good at poker. Wow, that was easy! Hello captain obvious welcome to the forum! But.....day in day out DN vs brunson, vs ivey vs chip reese vs Gus Hansen vs etc etc etc. how does your logic hold up, they are all good at poker so no one wins and no one losses good one

[lrlslo 0]

I'm sorry, but does anyone think this Dennis187 sounds like a real ass? Daniel is a busy guy and where do you get off demanding a reply to your question, which he has discussed in all the journals he writes for us to enjoy. He runs this site on top of all the other shit in his life and you should be a bit more grateful. Everyone else in the forum knows all about Daniel and his play in the big game, but you just show up and tell DN what to do... personally, I hope he doesn't respond.

[gcirons 0]

Dennis187 you are a D.I.N.K!First off what gives you the right to come on a forum and demand an answer from anyone? This is a forum not a court of law and no person is compelled to answer any question a.s.s. f.a.c.e!And get it straight -What makes you think that this forum is a priority for DN. I figure that with having half a life he has more important things to do then check in on this forum every five minutes. This site is helpful for newbies to good poker players because it helps us learn. I hardly think that the great players like DN check this site that often because, oh I don't know, MAYBE THEY ARE PLAYING POKER AND ENJOYING THE WINNINGS LIVING A LIFE.Get it together!