Jowelz 0 Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 With all the crap online about this now, and the "he said, she said" murking the waters, DN representing Phil, etc etc etc, the two "victims" need to bring 2 bags with them apiece to a golf course. 1 bag should be filled with twice the money they lost to Phil. The other bag should be filled with clubs.If they want to put their money where their mouth is, play Phil again at the proper HCPs. If Phil wins, he wins. No more crying, no more whining, and no more damned blogging.If they don't want to put up their money, they pay immediately and stop making excuses. Hustled or not, you pay in one way or another.Maybe Ram shouldn't be throwing 400K away in HU games if he can't pay Ivey. Link to post Share on other sites
Kwest4chipz 0 Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 we really needed another thread started on this....no really Link to post Share on other sites
Jowelz 0 Posted April 11, 2007 Author Share Posted April 11, 2007 we really needed another thread started on this....no reallyWhat do you want? I'm completely new to this site. I read cardplayer every day and found this site through it. I am quite shocked by who I thought DN was through seeing him on TV and who he is when he's typing.Let Phil Ivey and the two welches as it stands now battle it out. Phil Ivey is Phil Fricking Ivey for godsakes. He doesn't need a mouthpiece. I truly believe DN enjoys sticking his nose into drama.His attack on Phil Gordon? C'mon DN. I'm not suggesting that you should tone it down, all I'm saying is that you could be working on your cash game instead of posting these ridiculous threads. Link to post Share on other sites
irishguy 14 Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 What do you want? I'm completely new to this site. I read cardplayer every day and found this site through it. I am quite shocked by who I thought DN was through seeing him on TV and who he is when he's typing.Let Phil Ivey and the two welches as it stands now battle it out. Phil Ivey is Phil Fricking Ivey for godsakes. He doesn't need a mouthpiece. I truly believe DN enjoys sticking his nose into drama.His attack on Phil Gordon? C'mon DN. I'm not suggesting that you should tone it down, all I'm saying is that you could be working on your cash game instead of posting these ridiculous threads. Very nice of you to come to Daniels forum and offer him advice on how he should be focusing his energy. Classy really. I mean what kind of person posts there own thoughts in their own blog and on their own forum? Could you please pop by my house and let me know how I should be mowing my lawn? I truly believe you have a gift for correcting how people opperate their own lives so please pop by later in the week and guide me as I fold laundry, do random household chores and then shuffle knuckle children off as I enjoy my morning shower. Link to post Share on other sites
Jowelz 0 Posted April 11, 2007 Author Share Posted April 11, 2007 Very nice of you to come to Daniels forum and offer him advice on how he should be focusing his energy. Classy really. I mean what kind of person posts there own thoughts in their own blog and on their own forum? Could you please pop by my house and let me know how I should be mowing my lawn? I truly believe you have a gift for correcting how people opperate their own lives so please pop by later in the week and guide me as I fold laundry, do random household chores and then shuffle knuckle children off as I enjoy my morning shower.Listen paluko, first of all, don't knuckle children while you're in the shower. You can get years upon years for that. Second of all, you, sir, need a wife. Keep the lawn neat, and make her do the rest. Can anyone honestly find a fault in the plan I laid out? Some guy is talking about an arbitrator, some guy is talking about hiring muscle, I'm talking about golfing and 1.8 million dollars. Any real gambler would take the third option any day.As for you DN, if you believe in my Ann Flanders-esque ability to dispense quality advice, then I'd certainly worry about bigger things than pointing out Phil Gordon's insecurities to him and your legions of fans.Go tell those boys to put on the spikes and to bring cash with them. Tell em' Jowelz sent you. Link to post Share on other sites
SwedishAnna 0 Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 With all the crap online about this now, and the "he said, she said" murking the waters, DN representing Phil, etc etc etc, the two "victims" need to bring 2 bags with them apiece to a golf course. 1 bag should be filled with twice the money they lost to Phil. The other bag should be filled with clubs.If they want to put their money where their mouth is, play Phil again at the proper HCPs. If Phil wins, he wins. No more crying, no more whining, and no more damned blogging.If they don't want to put up their money, they pay immediately and stop making excuses. Hustled or not, you pay in one way or another.Maybe Ram shouldn't be throwing 400K away in HU games if he can't pay Ivey.I really am quite surprised Daniel has chosen to air one side of a pretty contentious dispute without listening (and airing ) the other. I know the other two involved - and have listened to their side of this misadventure - true I haven't heard Daniel's buddy's side - but in the interest of balance allow me to put their side - as I know it.True, the guys have been playing golf together for 8 months or so, Daniel's mate and his "coach" against the other two.... they played in Vegas and Europe during the summer of 2006.. and true Daniel's buddy lost most of these encounters. As Daniel knows I'm sure - golf is a game where there is a handicap system - so before each game the protagonists agreed what was considered an equitable handicap for each player and battle commenced.. all of the games were by all accounts fairly close .. Before Australia this year the guys had NOT played together for months - so when they met up again - handicaps had to be agreed - now as the guys hadn't played together for a while they struggled to get an agreement on this fairly central point...so some questions were asked -- very specific questions of Daniel's buddy.... Like had he played much since last they played -- to which the answer offered was no...... another very specific question was asked -- had Daniels bud played "so and so" recently -- yes was the offered answer..... Ok , so do you still receive 10 strokes (per 18 holes from this guy)? again yes was the proferred answer.... So the friends (for that it what they were) agreed to play with the same handicaps as before... But Daniel's bud insisted upon 36 holes at this handicap (contract) and then they would adjust.... Ok, thought the other two -- we have played "so and so" and therefore know that if he still gives Daniel's bud 10 strokes then the previous handicap is fairly accurate. For those golfers amoung you Daniels Bud had a handicap of c26 The others were about 4 and about 15 ......So they set off to play - and actually played quite happily for 18 holes .. wherein Daniel's buddy and his partner proceeded to thrash the other two ..... they all finished and were quite amiable -- next day as per contract they continued on the same handicaps - and again Daniel's buddy and his partner thrashed the others -- this time however one of the other guys walked off in disgust - calling foul whilst the other carried on to the bitter end... Ok so a salutory tale for the other 2 guys ... had that been the end of things they would have reluctantly paid -- but would have paid.... Daniel's buddy - shot fairly close to level par for most of the holes (there was one very high number on one hole)The evening after the second day's golf - the two guys were approached by several senior figures within poker to warn them about an alleged "hustle" that they had suffered... independently - these guys were told how Daniel's bud had been receivng coaching and shooting level par scores on TPC courses in the states and had been winning vast (and I mean vast) quantities of cash from other guys on the golf course.... All of which would be perfectly fine and dandy if not for the following .... The very specific questions that were asked of Daniel's buddy on the 1st tee on the 1st round. "Had he played much since they last played?" Well very clearly he had been working his tail off... and much more damning "Did he still receive 10 strokes from "so and so""? Well actually no he didn't - the last time they had played together they had played off scratch.. no strokes either way -- so a ten stroke difference.... An apparent untruth.... which was later confirmed by "so and so". Further he had taken "so and so" for a few million dollars.....Golf is a game of honour and self regulation - had a member of a local country club failed to adjust his handicap to such extreme improvements (Daniel's buddy improved by an average of 12 strokes a round) he would be banned not just from that club but from all others... In golf this is regarded as cheating.... Now I can see that in prop betting anything goes and the bettor beware motto applies... golf is different -- golf is a game of honour and self regulation as I said earlier.... I can see Daniel's buddy's side of the story -- but I can also see the other two's side.. and to represent it as Daniel did in his Blog as a "simple" case of welching is incredibly unfair and does the normally smart and fair Daniel absolutely no credit. Link to post Share on other sites
fighter 4 Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 I really am quite surprised .............no credit.I am not reading this. There is 4 threads on this already and i am sure you have a good point somewhere in that post. This reply isnt about that. Why should your post deserve a thread all to its self. Did you even read the other threads. I am sure your long post would of repeated alot of the contributions from the fellow FCP's yet you still saw the need to not only say your opinion but scream it out in a HEY HEY LOOK AT ME fashion by making another thread. I had a really good opinion about the american idol issue but i didnt make a new thread about it. I just put it at the end of the other 4 thread. While it only got read by 2 people who cares. Your opinion doesnt shouldnt be clogging up the message board by making another unnecessary thread. If you realy think daniel should read it then PM him about it. If not then put it at the end of a thread like the rest of us Link to post Share on other sites
Oziumrules 0 Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 I don't play golf, for money, against people Link to post Share on other sites
PlzFoldNow 0 Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 With all the crap online about this now, and the "he said, she said" murking the waters, DN representing Phil, etc etc etc, the two "victims" need to bring 2 bags with them apiece to a golf course. 1 bag should be filled with twice the money they lost to Phil. The other bag should be filled with clubs.If they want to put their money where their mouth is, play Phil again at the proper HCPs. If Phil wins, he wins. No more crying, no more whining, and no more damned blogging.If they don't want to put up their money, they pay immediately and stop making excuses. Hustled or not, you pay in one way or another.Maybe Ram shouldn't be throwing 400K away in HU games if he can't pay Ivey.I'll give Ivey a call tomorrow and let him know that we have a solution. Link to post Share on other sites
chrozzo 19 Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 at least he didnt call Phil a nappy headed hoe Link to post Share on other sites
KUPoker5 0 Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 at least he didnt call Phil a nappy headed hoeI can see Al Sharpton on the phone right now... Link to post Share on other sites
flyingdonkey 0 Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 I can see Al Sharpton on the phone right now...Im surprised Al hasn't said Imus also raped Tawana Brawley... Link to post Share on other sites
KUPoker5 0 Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 Im surprised Al hasn't said Imus also raped Tawana Brawley...Give it time. Link to post Share on other sites
chrozzo 19 Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 Give it time.didnt Imus' ancestors own Sharpton's ancestors as well? i thought i read that somewhere... Link to post Share on other sites
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