DB10-2 0 Posted April 9, 2007 Share Posted April 9, 2007 egbert is the hero. this wasn't me. ignore the preflop play and the odd call on the flop. i'm only interested in rationales for and against check raising the turn here. sorry about no converter, this is all of the history i have and online converters dont seem to want to take it. results in white. thanks in advance.Dealt to egbert42 [3h As Jh 6s]BigDingo foldsputzpoker foldsscottyboy727 calls $1nubktobk calls $1imaBOFH foldsFeed My Eyes foldsdrei26 calls $1egbert42 calls $0.50JabbaDaFlop checks*** FLOP *** [4h Qs Tc]egbert42 checksJabbaDaFlop bets $1scottyboy727 foldsnubktobk calls $1drei26 calls $1egbert42 calls $1*** TURN *** [4h Qs Tc 2s]egbert42 checksJabbaDaFlop bets $2nubktobk foldsdrei26 raises to $4egbert42 calls $4JabbaDaFlop calls $2*** RIVER *** [4h Qs Tc 2s] [3s]egbert42 checksJabbaDaFlop checksdrei26 bets $2egbert42 raises to $4JabbaDaFlop foldsdrei26 raises to $6egbert42 raises to $8drei26 calls $2*** SHOW DOWN *** (6, 4, 3, 2, A)drei26 mucksegbert42 wins the high pot ($18) with a flush, Ace highegbert42 wins the low pot ($18) with a 6, 4, 3, 2, Adrei26 mucked [Qh 7s 5c 4d] Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted April 9, 2007 Share Posted April 9, 2007 Convert please: http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter/And please do not include results. Link to post Share on other sites
DB10-2 0 Posted April 9, 2007 Author Share Posted April 9, 2007 see above, i cant get it to convert because it's not all there.results in white.now. any thoughts on the hand? Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 see above, i cant get it to convert because it's not all there.Heh, sorry missed that the first time, if you had it there all along.I'd recommend not putting results in white either, however, as everyone reads them anyways, lol. Link to post Share on other sites
cMcMonkey 0 Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 I'd recommend not putting results in white either, however, as everyone reads them anyways, lol.Yeah, its like a compulsion. I'd like to say it wouldn't affect my analysis, but I don't think that's possible.As for the hand, I hate calling the flop. What are you playing for? You need runner runner for low, and one of them to be a 2 in order to have the nuts (and neither an A or a 3). You have a gutshot and backdoor flush draw for high, which is about ~5.5 outs, but if anyone is continuing here they prob have some of your outs in their hand, or are playing for the same straight. The only good thing there is you might be playing for the whole pot if it gets there, OTOH, you could easily split when you hit it or still lose to a backdoor flush or boat. You're getting 7:1, and even that I don't think is enough for a call in this spot, but your true odds are much less since you're splitting so often.Anyway, after that, as played, I think you played it well. You don't want to 3-bet the turn and chase out Jabba, ideally it gets capped between them. On the river again its pretty easy and you played it well. Even if you chase out Jabba with the raise, drei is going to call so you're getting the same in the pot by raise as you would looking for an overcall, plus you might get lucky and have Jabba call your raise or drei re-raise which would be great.But keep in mind you got 2 very lucky cards to make your hand. In most cases you should be dumping at that flop. This looks like the classic blind hand trap, where you play too far after seeing a cheap flop. Make sure you're not overplaying your blind hands and can get away from flops that miss you this much.EDIT: I didn't see about ignoring the pf and flop at first, sry for ranting about it. I think turn and river were played well to extract maximum. Link to post Share on other sites
checkymcfold 0 Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 this is a super complicated equity calculation for which i honestly don't know the answer. i'd be tempted to say your equity is good enough to checkraise in a multiway field with good c/r position relative to flop bettor who definitely won't be scared by that turn, but i'm not entirely sure. can someone run these odds against various holdings, like a KJxx, a3xx, worse spades? i'm pretty curious, and too drunk to do it myself right now :Dcalling the flop is fine, imho. Link to post Share on other sites
DB10-2 0 Posted April 10, 2007 Author Share Posted April 10, 2007 again, i didn't play the hand. i thought the call on the flop was utter nonsense, but i got into an argument with the guy who did play the hand about check-raising the turn. i felt like it might be profitable in light of the big 2-way draws in a multiway pot (plus possible fold equity, etc.), but i have no hard math to back that up. Link to post Share on other sites
ahosang 0 Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 Call turn for me. drei26 is dreadful to be betting and raising river and not get 1/2 Link to post Share on other sites
bassplayer45459 0 Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 Call on the flop dumb, check raising dumb, calling the turn mayyybe justified Link to post Share on other sites
navybuttons 15 Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 Call on the flop dumb.two back door flush draws, two backdoor low draws, backdoor straight draws, gutterball straightdraw. i think peeling a small bet here is fine.check raising dumbit's close IMO, but i think just calling is fine.calling the turn mayyybe justified13 outs to scoop, and a bunch for half, getting better than 3:1 on our money, folding is a mistake. Link to post Share on other sites
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