jsull 0 Posted April 7, 2007 Share Posted April 7, 2007 Poker StarsNo Limit Holdem TournamentBlinds: t4000/t8000(Ante: t400)9 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: t54388UTG+1: t113563MP1: t50910MP2: t111966MP3: t211848CO: t68422Button: t60613SB: t227610jaysull: t207514Pre-flop: (9 players) jaysull is BB with T T 3 folds, MP2 raises to t16000, MP3 calls t16000 (pot was t31600), 3 folds, jaysull ?????????????Reads, MP2 was playing a lot of loose Ax, but MP3 was solid, VERY solid. MP3 is one of very few that can hurt me here.So, do I just call the BB here, or re-pop it? Reasoning for each please? Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 68 Posted April 7, 2007 Share Posted April 7, 2007 I'd push, MP2 has a very wide range and is likely folding, and I think if MP3 has JJ+ he would have raised (unless he is trying to slowplay aa or whatever). Shove, and most likely scenario is both fold. Also possible that MP2 minraised because he has a monster, or that MP3 calls with AK/AQ, but I don't want to see a flop OOP with TT here.We could use more info, like payouts, how many players remain, buy-in, etc. Link to post Share on other sites
mjd 0 Posted April 7, 2007 Share Posted April 7, 2007 TT out of position is a tough hand to play for lots of chips. The flop is likely to have overs which may scare you. That said, there are lots of ways you could play this since you're closing the action.1) Reraise big since you're out of position with probably the best hand, but one which will be tough to play post-flop2) call, then check, play for set value/based on the action. Given your read on MP2, you might be able to play well against him post flop. Though this is risky with mp3 still in there.The more I think about it, the more I like option 1. It sounds very likely that he has Ax. And he can't eliminate you.If mp3 was VERY solid and had JJ+, I would expect him to reraise preflop.-M Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted April 7, 2007 Share Posted April 7, 2007 Payout structure/how many are left is very important. Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 68 Posted April 7, 2007 Share Posted April 7, 2007 I'd like to amend my post: I didn't see that MP3 had a stack as big as yours, for some reason I assumed he was short. Shoving is probably reckless there, but I think a big re-raise is in order. Raise to 60-70K IMO. Link to post Share on other sites
zimmer4141 0 Posted April 7, 2007 Share Posted April 7, 2007 I reraise to 60k, call a shove from MP2, fold to a shove from MP3. Link to post Share on other sites
mjd 0 Posted April 7, 2007 Share Posted April 7, 2007 I reraise to 60k, call a shove from MP2, fold to a shove from MP3.This sounds reasonable. Though folding the TT preflop would make me very sad, it would probably be for the best against an mp3 shove. No reason to take a coinflip or be overpaired when you're doing so well at this table. Link to post Share on other sites
TwoFourOffsuit 0 Posted April 7, 2007 Share Posted April 7, 2007 Lots of advice here to shove or re-pop instead of call. I understand that a call is commonly an unadvisable play, but tens are a dubious play against many comparable hands in a coinflip, and I don't see how either suggestion avoids an opponent's push or call of a push. Why are we insisting on no postflop play here? Do we really think we can bully two opponents off hands with which they were willing to raise preflop? If it's because we don't trust our chances postflop, would an astute opponent not pick up on this if we were to re-pop or shove? Link to post Share on other sites
jsull 0 Posted April 7, 2007 Author Share Posted April 7, 2007 Payout structure/how many are left is very important.Trying to get this back after the fact.... looks like about two tables left. So, I'd say there are 17 or 18 players since there's 9 listed in the HH. $7 buy-in.. Typical Stars payout structure, not the 20% structure. Winner gets $2300, if we're at two tables left, 10-18 gets about $90. The 200K stack of mine at the time was top 5ish I believe.OK, so many are advocating a big re-raise here. If MP3 wasn't involved in this pot that was definitely the plan. However, with him in this pot, I decided to see a flop cheap.....Flop: J 9 A (t55600, 3 players)Hero checks, MP2 bets t16000, MP3 folds, Hero ?????Very odd small bet here, Now what? Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted April 7, 2007 Share Posted April 7, 2007 Trying to get this back after the fact.... looks like about two tables left. So, I'd say there are 17 or 18 players since there's 9 listed in the HH. $7 buy-in.. Typical Stars payout structure, not the 20% structure. Winner gets $2300, if we're at two tables left, 10-18 gets about $90. The 200K stack of mine at the time was top 5ish I believe.Gambooooooooool.I shove pre.Fold that flop. Link to post Share on other sites
AKProdigy 0 Posted April 7, 2007 Share Posted April 7, 2007 I'd definitely reraise to about 50k and see what happens. I guess it also depends on how the other players percieve you.. had you been fairly tight up until this point or stealing quite a few pots pf? Definitely fold that flop. Ace probably hit someone and you've only got set value and runner-runner possilbiities left. Link to post Share on other sites
SlackerInc 0 Posted April 7, 2007 Share Posted April 7, 2007 Gambooooooooool.I shove pre.Fold that flop.QFT Link to post Share on other sites
jsull 0 Posted April 7, 2007 Author Share Posted April 7, 2007 OK, so in the interest of screwing this hand up as bad as I possibly can,I call the flop bet, deciding for that price, I can see the river card. Turn comes A :spade:Now I start to wonder if Villian actually has an A or not. Villian has somewhere around 80k left, and I have about 170k left. I feel he's weak, but do I want to bet a small amount hoping to steal this pot here, or do I want to put him all in, knowing that if he calls and I lose I'm down to 90k and will have an M of about 6.Do I give up here, or make a play at the pot? If I make a play at the pot, do I make him think I'm value betting him to get it all in, or do I just shove now?In case you couldn't tell, I really felt I misplayed this hand horribly from the start. Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted April 7, 2007 Share Posted April 7, 2007 Raise to about 60k preflop. Just about anything that calls that raise calls a push as well. If you limp preflop it has to be for set value or the rare top pair/oesd. You cant get involved OOP with anything else. Link to post Share on other sites
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now