2nd Pair On Low Board

[AKProdigy 0]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t600 (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)Hero (t4765)BB (t6590)UTG (t4440)Button (t11205)Preflop: Hero is SB with 6 , K . 1 fold, Button calls t600, Hero completes, BB checks.Flop: (t1650) 3 , T , 6 (3 players)Hero bets t1200, BB raises to t5940, Button folds, Hero ?Villain is moderately loose, moderately aggressive. When not in the blinds, he likes to minraise with any decent hand. When small blind check to him and hes isolated, he'll often minraise back about half the time to push the sb out. I had no idea what he had here since he was in the BB. I had about 3000 left to call.

[quadaces 0]

Fold preflop

[SpiderGuard 0]

Fold. You're still fine on the bubble in this tourney if you fold, no need to be a hero.

[AKProdigy 0]

Fold preflop? 300 to call 1500 in pot... 5-to-1. I'm more than certain K 6 has that covered in that situation shorthanded.

[ChrisRichey 1]

I fold pf as well. If it was suited or even close to be connected, then I would complete, but K6o is horribly weak. I also think you lead for too much on the flop. If you're going to bet (which I may or may not depending on how the table has played thus far), I would make it around 700-900. As played, it's a fold.

[SpiderGuard 0]

Fold preflop? 300 to call 1500 in pot... 5-to-1. I'm more than certain K 6 has that covered in that situation shorthanded.

If you're looking at the WPT percentages with all cards shown in the screen, then yes it does. The problem with this is that how many flops are you going to actually know you're ahead on? Does a King high flop put you in the lead? Will it take two pair? Does the flop you saw give you the advantage? What are the percentages of those happening?Some very crude math here, so I could be completely wrong, but you flop a pair about 32% of the time. I'm going to guess that you divide that in half if you only think the King can pair to give you the best hand, that's 16% (5-1 odds). Subtract from this the number of times the King pairs with an Ace on the flop if you put your opponent on an Ace. If you think you need two pair that's 2% (49-1 odds). It's not that your real pot odds are that bad, it's that this hand is going to be incredibly tough to play postflop, and will put you in incredibly tough situations like the one you're in. That's the big problem with your hand here, and I think why people are advocating a preflop fold.

[copernicus 0]

You took your shot and he says he has you beat...or is semibluffing with the heart draw. Id foldEdit after seeing responses: Fold getting 5-1 with a K? With everyones stack getting short? I wouldnt fold getting 3:1. Ace flops dont worry you that much when there hasnt been a raise, and even second pair isnt terrible as long as you lead and fold to aggression. Its not a hand youre likely to get into deep trouble with. Connected hands can be more trouble with these stacks because you wind up chasing draws on the flop that you have to abandon on the turn (but i still play the connected hands getting 5:1!)

[SpiderGuard 0]

Its not a hand youre likely to get into deep trouble with.

You won't get in big trouble *IF* you're willing to lay the hand down easily on this flop. It's not really a good flop for this hand, especially three-handed.I'm not sure the pre-flop call is bad, although I think if you're going to play it I prefer a raise.

[SlackerInc 0]

Boy, this is a tough one. I'd reluctantly lay this down and suspect I had been snookered. I definitely disagree with those who say to fold preflop though; and if a K came on the flop I'd go all the way with it no matter what the other two did.

[ChrisRichey 1]

I would much rather push with T9s (or KTo, whatever) with fiv pf than limp here and go broke on a K high flop. We have absolutely no idea where we stand on just about any flop with this hand, unless of course we flop trips. I wouldn't knock somebody for raising pf though, because I like to punish limpers and it's def not a bad play at this point if you think the button will fold pf. Limping this hand is spewing imo, esp when we we're unable to get away from second pair on the flop.

[copernicus 0]

I would much rather push with T9s (or KTo, whatever) with fiv pf than limp here and go broke on a K high flop. We have absolutely no idea where we stand on just about any flop with this hand, unless of course we flop trips. I wouldn't knock somebody for raising pf though, because I like to punish limpers and it's def not a bad play at this point if you think the button will fold pf. Limping this hand is spewing imo, esp when we we're unable to get away from second pair on the flop.

so would I ...given that flop! Seriously, you can't pass up 5:1 odds, its not that hard to get away from second pair, and with your stack youve got to play any K like its the nuts. The chances of another K in an unraised pot 4 handed are pretty slim.

[ChrisRichey 1]

I think the problem with limping K6o here, is that we may have the best hand when we flop a K or a 6, but as this hand shows, it's going to cost us at least 1/4 of our stack to find out if we're ahead or not, dropping our M by over 1 in the process. I really think, at this point and with these blinds, we need to save those chips and wait for fiv while we still have some FE.

[copernicus 0]

I think the problem with limping K6o here, is that we may have the best hand when we flop a K or a 6, but as this hand shows, it's going to cost us at least 1/4 of our stack to find out if we're ahead or not, dropping our M by over 1 in the process. I really think, at this point and with these blinds, we need to save those chips and wait for fiv while we still have some FE.

I know Im the most aggressive from the blinds amongst the regulars when getting odds, but I still dont think this is even close to a PF fold. Put some ranges on villain with that flop, which is the most expensive flop we could get, and I think you'll find 5:1 well justified the call.

[SlackerInc 0]

I know Im the most aggressive from the blinds amongst the regulars when getting odds

That's interesting--given that you're less aggressive than others in many other situations. Why do you suppose this is? And why are they so reluctant--because they don't like to play OOP, basically?

[copernicus 0]

That's interesting--given that you're less aggressive than others in many other situations. Why do you suppose this is? And why are they so reluctant--because they don't like to play OOP, basically?

I think theres a general fear of post flop play, even with position.