Live Play Rules Question

[gfdsa146 0]

In a live game, if someone's cards hit the muck, is anyone else at the table allowed to pick them up and look at them without sustaining a penalty?

[KUPoker5 0]

In a live game, if someone's cards hit the muck, is anyone else at the table allowed to pick them up and look at them without sustaining a penalty?

Once they are mucked, no one is allowed to turn them over. The dealer should have scooped those cards up and put them aside. If a penalty was not enforced on the other guy's behalf, you should atleast tell him that it's horrible table etiquette. Then of course you need to follow him to his car later...

[sixhands 0]

Unless you are a certain poker player with a brown spot.If you are then you can grab them from the muck and look but ONLY if you say "Just checking"

[bdc30 0]

What exact "penalty" would there be? It's bad etiquette, but really, what are you going to do about it?

[gfdsa146 0]

Does this rule hold for a showdown? I because in PS, you're always allowed to check what the guy mucked in the hand history

[KUPoker5 0]

Does this rule hold for a showdown? I because in PS, you're always allowed to check what the guy mucked in the hand history

That's a good question. I've wondered this too. I'm not sure if the rules state both players have to show or not. I know that if you call your opponent, he HAS to show. When I'm at the tables, I get pretty irritated when people don't flip up their hands in a showdown. I should probably look into this.

[Dogpatch 2]

Does this rule hold for a showdown? I because in PS, you're always allowed to check what the guy mucked in the hand history

You can ask to see any hand that made it to showdown. But it is bad etiquette. It's inexcusable to reach into the muck.

[KUPoker5 0]

What exact "penalty" would there be? It's bad etiquette, but really, what are you going to do about it?

I go by a simple rule of thumb for this. Do it once, I'll let you know it's not a cool thing to do. Do it twice, you're getting an earful. Do it three times, you get a tire iron to the windshield/legs/arms/ribs.

[silkyjonson 1]

You can ask to see any hand that made it to showdown. But it is bad etiquette. It's inexcusable to reach into the muck.

Even the dealers are not supposed to retrieve a hand that has hit the muck even if it made it to showdown. Not sure if that is what your saying though.

[iowahawk09 0]

You can ask to see any hands that went to showdown, however, as a courtesy to your opponent, it is usually in poor taste to do so. BUT NEVER EVER, should cards be retrieved from the muck, especially by another player.

[therescav 0]

its funny cause KUPoker likes to beat people up

[KUPoker5 0]

its funny cause KUPoker likes to beat people up

I always go to anger management after my live games. It's therapeutic, and it always makes me feel better after busting up somebody's spleen. B)

[psujohn 0]

If a player at the table attempts to touch any cards other than their own or any chips in the pot the dealer should literally smack their hand. The first time they can get a smack with the dealer's hand the second time with a bat.

[NoSup4U 0]

I see dealers all the time pull cards out of the muck to show at showdown when its requested by another player. A player isn't allowed to do this.The rule about seeing other players cards at showdows is in place to prevent collusion. If you suspect collusion you are allowed to see the other players cards if there is a showdown. Although players ask the dealer a lot to see the mucked cards, this is akin to saying you suspect possible collusion.I personally never do it, but I don't care if people ask to see my cards, because I know most people don't care about WHY the rule is in place, they just use it to get info on how I play.Mark

[Balloon guy 158]

If a player at the table attempts to touch any cards other than their own or any chips in the pot the dealer should literally smack their hand. The first time they can get a smack with the dealer's hand the second time with a bat.

You play at a Catholic casino?

[iowahawk09 0]

I see dealers all the time pull cards out of the muck to show at showdown when its requested by another player. A player isn't allowed to do this.The rule about seeing other players cards at showdows is in place to prevent collusion. If you suspect collusion you are allowed to see the other players cards if there is a showdown. Although players ask the dealer a lot to see the mucked cards, this is akin to saying you suspect possible collusion.I personally never do it, but I don't care if people ask to see my cards, because I know most people don't care about WHY the rule is in place, they just use it to get info on how I play.Mark

Mark,I was fairly sure that you could request to see a players cards at showdown anytime. Not just if collusion is suspected. Seems to me that it wouldnt make sense to have it the way you say, since I could just claim that I think people are colluding and they would have to show me everytimeWhen someone shows down, you have a right to know what they had, while it may not be in good taste, I still think you are allowed to see them upon request. Same reason why you can see what other players muck online from the HH's.Was I misinformed?

[NoSup4U 0]

Mark,I was fairly sure that you could request to see a players cards at showdown anytime. Not just if collusion is suspected. Seems to me that it wouldnt make sense to have it the way you say, since I could just claim that I think people are colluding and they would have to show me everytimeWhen someone shows down, you have a right to know what they had, while it may not be in good taste, I still think you are allowed to see them upon request. Same reason why you can see what other players muck online from the HH's.Was I misinformed?

The rule allowing you to see cards at showdown was put into place specifically because this allows you to find out if players are colluding. That being said, I know that the general poker playing public feels that you just have a right to know what they had so they just ask when they want to. But that 'right' was just given because of collusion, not because the powers that be who created poker rules think you should be able to see your opponents cards.The reason you can see what players muck from the hand histories is because the online sites just took this rule and put it into place online.That being said, I don't mind at all if someone asks to see my cards, because I know they just want to know what I had. But I don't want you to know. Unfortunately, because of this rule, you get to know. But I'll still try and muck and hope you don't ask. :)Mark

[DB10-2 0]

i saw phil laak reach into the muck very early in the 2005 legends of poker at the bike and show the table another player's hand, which was two aces that were good for a pretty big pot. no penalty, in fact nobody at the table, including the dealer, said a word, probably because...it was phil laak! pretty bad.i lost a lot of respect for him after seeing that move.

[gfdsa146 0]

speaking of laak, i remember him saying somethign to esfandiari about him constantly reaching into the muck to see his cards

[conor_mw 0]

Unless you are a certain poker player with a brown spot.If you are then you can grab them from the muck and look but ONLY if you say "Just checking"

LOL Annie Puke styles

[No_Neck 0]

The rule allowing you to see cards at showdown was put into place specifically because this allows you to find out if players are colluding. That being said, I know that the general poker playing public feels that you just have a right to know what they had so they just ask when they want to. But that 'right' was just given because of collusion, not because the powers that be who created poker rules think you should be able to see your opponents cards.The reason you can see what players muck from the hand histories is because the online sites just took this rule and put it into place online.That being said, I don't mind at all if someone asks to see my cards, because I know they just want to know what I had. But I don't want you to know. Unfortunately, because of this rule, you get to know. But I'll still try and muck and hope you don't ask. :)Mark

when you muck just make sure you fire them in the muck so it buries the cards deep. Problem solved.

[sixhands 0]

LOL Annie Puke styles

ding ding ding we have a winner

[13CARDS 0]

There was once a player at my poker room that thought it would be ok for him to reach into the muck and take his cards out while the dealer was distracted. He wa rewarded with 6 months "poker-free" time away from my poker room to think about whether or not it was a good idea.