darkrider88 0 Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 1-2NL GameVillian (BB) is looooooose, loves flush draws, makes tons of small bets with little pattern, and has $300I have a TAG reputation, sitting with $150.7 handed.Hand 9c-8cUTG Limps, 2 limps, Hero calls, small blind completes, villian (BB) raises to $5, all call.Pot ($30), 6 handedFlop: 4s 5h 6hSB checks, Villian bets $5, UTG folds, limpers call, Hero calls, SB foldsPot ($50)Turn: 4s 5h 6h (7h)Villian bets $25, Limpers fold, Hero calls $25.Pot $100 heads upRiver 4s 5h 6h 7h 9hVillian bets $25.00Hero? Link to post Share on other sites
Snamuh 0 Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 You have to raise the turn there. As played I call his weak river bet. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 Pot $100 heads up Villian bets $25.00Hero?IMHO, you have to pay off this value bet. I wouldn't be surprised to chop it. Link to post Share on other sites
darkrider88 0 Posted April 2, 2007 Author Share Posted April 2, 2007 You guys can pay this bet off? There are four hearts on the board, at best you are tying, at worst you are throwing money away. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 You guys can pay this bet off? There are four hearts on the board, at best you are tying, at worst you are throwing money away.It's $150 worth of information for $25.If we were paying 3 to a flush at the turn, why not pay 4 to a flush at the river? Link to post Share on other sites
Garn 0 Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 i don't think you should have called the bet on the flop Link to post Share on other sites
cMcMonkey 0 Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 i don't think you should have called the bet on the flopYou didn't say how this Villain responds to aggression, I think you need to make a decision one way or the other. Calling is, IMO, the worst choice. You're not getting odds to hit your gutshot and your overcards are weak outs at best. You're looking at maybe a 5 out draw. You need to either fold on the flop as Garn said, or raise his little feeler bet to get some info and take control of the hand. Even a raise on the turn would get you some info on whether he's already there or not. It might not change much with this particular hand (meaning he still might call down and win with a small heart or chop), but making a habit of passively calling down your opponent with weak draws is just giving away your money hoping to get lucky. Link to post Share on other sites
Pot Odds RAC 23 Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 It's $150 worth of information for $25.If we were paying 3 to a flush at the turn, why not pay 4 to a flush at the river?Calling for information alone falls into the same category as betting for information alone. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 Calling for information alone falls into the same category as betting for information alone.Value betting is the new bluffing. If there's no flush, we win. A set makes this bet. Top two make this bet. (Neither is likely to have a flush). A blank makes this bet. Overs make this bet. If this is a flush value bet, so be it. But we're getting what ... 7:1 or so?And if villain has a flush, we now know how he plays made hands. If not, we learned something AND scooped a nice pot. Link to post Share on other sites
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