Tpwk, Overcard On River

[AKProdigy 0]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)UTG (t1500)UTG+1 (t1330)MP1 (t1470)MP2 (t1755)MP3 (t1470)CO (t1470)Hero (t1775)SB (t1230)BB (t1500)Preflop: Hero is Button with 8 , T . 3 folds, MP2 calls t30, 2 folds, Hero calls t30, 1 fold, BB checks.Flop: (t105) 2 , 3 , T (3 players)BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets t60, BB folds, MP2 calls t60.Turn: (t225) 9 (2 players)MP2 checks, Hero bets t120, MP2 calls t120.River: (t465) J (2 players)MP2 checks, Hero ?Villain seems loose preflop (4x raise or call every 4 or 5 hands), other than that not much info.Value bet or check behind?

[copernicus 0]

fold preflop, no matter what Arnold Snyder says!Once you call preflop, bet the pot on the flop. You want to take this hand down, not be in wondering what to do when an overcard comes later. If he calls that I would slow down on the turn. You dont want to invest a ton of money in the hand at that point.

[simo_8ball 0]

fold preflop, no matter what Arnold Snyder says!Once you call preflop, bet the pot on the flop. You want to take this hand down, not be in wondering what to do when an overcard comes later. If he calls that I would slow down on the turn. You dont want to invest a ton of money in the hand at that point.

Preflop I agree. I don't hate limping with position though.I don't mind the smaller bet on the flop although I think a bet nearer pot gets a little more value.I would bet a little larger on the turn. There is no indication you are behind and villain likely has a draw.I probably check the river. I don't hate a very thin value bet though.

[AKProdigy 0]

Regarding the limp, I'm usually a fairly tight player but will limp on the button every few hands with any two "playable" cards. Just mixing it up a bit.I agree about the turn, probably should have made it pot-sized. If I do make a bet on the river, I can't imagine I'm beat unless he slow-played hand that badly (which I guess is possible). I ended up checking behind, but I guess a related question would be if I bet out say 300 on the river and get raised, do you lay the hand down? (Or if its dependent on the value of the raise, whats the max you call?).

[simo_8ball 0]

The problem is that while you are highly likely to have the best hand, but there is not much he can possibly call you with that you beat. If you did bet 300 and you got raised it would an instamuck unless there was strong evidence against it.

[SpiderGuard 0]

fold preflop, no matter what Arnold Snyder says!Once you call preflop, bet the pot on the flop. You want to take this hand down, not be in wondering what to do when an overcard comes later. If he calls that I would slow down on the turn. You dont want to invest a ton of money in the hand at that point.

Let me add on to copernicus's post. There's no reason to invest too much in this hand. Too many hands beat you, and you have plenty of chips and plenty of time to win chips later. This is early, you don't need those few chips right now.

[YBravo 0]

The problem is that while you are highly likely to have the best hand, but there is not much he can possibly call you with that you beat.

This is the reason why you have to check the river as played. Basically the only thing you have beat that could also call a river bet is somethin bizzarre like As9s. You are also ahead of 4-4 through 8-8, which some people might call with, though it's unlikely. Everything else that calls you has you beat. I disagree with simo that you are "highly" likely to have the best hand. J-10 through A-10 are very possible for some more cautious players to have. It is early in the tournament, and you probably have no significant reads yet. I would much rather check the turn and try to induce a bluff from a missed draw on the river. What this does is keep the pot small with a marginal holding, which is almost always a good idea.

[AcesOnFire 0]

Check behind.

[simo_8ball 0]

J-10 through A-10 are very possible for some more cautious players to have

I doubt those hands check three times to us. I would expect to see 44-77 or a busted draw a far larger proportion of the time here.