digitalmonkey 929 Posted March 10, 2011 Author Share Posted March 10, 2011 Chara clips... Link to post Share on other sites
Babying 613 Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Chara clips... No need to post this. Whatever respect I had for Chara is long gone. I can see him having a career like Bertuzzi now. This will always hang over his head for this rest of his career. Link to post Share on other sites
GWCGWC 83 Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 What Bertuzzi did is on a completely different level and should have resulted in a lifetime ban. I'm 100% completely biased though. Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafpoker 1,462 Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Chara clips... oh come on. Thats a f*cking joke. The first clip the guy slashes him before anything else happens!!!! Are you kidding?The second one, the guy takes 3 shots at him before Chara punches back. What the hell is dirty there?The next few are cuts of videos from games when he played in Europe, that show nothing overtly dirty other than punches, and who knows what someone did first. And really, if your going back that far, pre-NHL, its a joke already.I see a late punch on a Hab, and I see a whole bunch of not much else, other than guys trying to get a lick in, and him fighting back. Where's the clips of him driving guys into the boards head first? Where's the clips of him elbowing guys into concussions? Where's the stick swings to guys midsections??? Whats the matter, the guy making the video couldnt find it when Chara was 14?????How many NHL players, after 20years of play, do not have any dirty plays counting up to 2:30min of exaggerated video. Many have way more than this drivel. Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,320 Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 No need to post this. Whatever respect I had for Chara is long gone. I can see him having a career like Bertuzzi now. This will always hang over his head for this rest of his career. What Bertuzzi did is on a completely different level and should have resulted in a lifetime ban. I'm 100% completely biased though.Comparing what Bertuzzi did to Chara is nuts.oh come on. Thats a f*cking joke.I think Dale would be better served by not focusing on Chara as he is not the story. The story is the NHL and the fact that they have screwed this situation up on many levels. Bottom line is that Lady Byng should be suspended if they hit somebody on that point of the ice by the benches in that way and the player ends up hurt like that. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted March 11, 2011 Author Share Posted March 11, 2011 The reason I posted the Chara clips thing in here and not with the other stuff is because it was a random hockey observation and not something I was associating with the Pacioretty incident.Arp, you don't find some of Chara's retaliations a little over the top? And Bob, it's funny how you always see fit to point out things like this, but choose to ignore the other posts I've made. Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,320 Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 The reason I posted the Chara clips thing in here and not with the other stuff is because it was a random hockey observation and not something I was associating with the Pacioretty incident.Arp, you don't find some of Chara's retaliations a little over the top? And Bob, it's funny how you always see fit to point out things like this, but choose to ignore the other posts I've made.Dale, I'm not going to respond to all your posts. You are a lot more passionate about this and I made my points already about my thoughts on the matter. I responded to this one to make my point about the issue to me being the NHL's lack of action and not Chara. Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafpoker 1,462 Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 The reason I posted the Chara clips thing in here and not with the other stuff is because it was a random hockey observation and not something I was associating with the Pacioretty incident.sorry pal, your gonna have a tough time convincing even an idiot like me that that was a random hockey observation. Arp, you don't find some of Chara's retaliations a little over the top?can you define for me over the top? If you mean he can really handle himself, reacts quickly to guys taking shots at him and beats the crap out of guys, yes. But I dont think hes doing anything dirty, and I dont see him taking the first shot in many of those. I dont see him hunting down guys, or going after people.Come on, youve watched Chara play like I have. We both know he could be destroying guys on a nightly basis, but like 95% of the NHL, he plays pretty much within the rules, with the odd over the line play, usually precipiated by other plays beforehand. I dont have a love for the guy, I could care less about the Bruins, but he's being labelled so much worse than he deserves. Grossly unfair. Has he ever even been reviewed by the NHL before? Not that I recall.You wanna call that Pac play dirty, ok. I wont argue that. But I think for his size, for his position, and for the amount he plays, the guy is a reasonably clean player, especially his years in Ottawa and Boston. I dont know what he did in Europe when he was 20yrs old, and I have no idea if he burned ants when he was 5, but enough villifying. Lets move on. Link to post Share on other sites
Babying 613 Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 No need to post this. Whatever respect I had for Chara is long gone. I can see him having a career like Bertuzzi now. This will always hang over his head for this rest of his career.I did not compare what Chara did to what Bertuzzi did. I said having a career like Bertuzzi where he was an elite power forward to being a okay player. But look Chara has 2 assists. Link to post Share on other sites
pauld22 0 Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 my point exactly. And I cant answer it, and Im not sure most people can either.I found it interesting that you who played junior said you were always aware of it. I'd be curious to hear from NHL'ers and how aware they are.Steve Montador was on WGR in Buffalo and spoke about it.It's only one guy but he says they know where they are and goes further to add that he thinks Chara knew what he was doing on the play http://audio.wgr550.com/a/37453679/3-9-ste...tm?pageid=28473The question about where knowing where they are on the ice is around the 3:30 mark and his statement is about the 5:20 mark. Link to post Share on other sites
gruven 530 Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 There ya go.... a former teammate of Chara's, saying he knew exactly what he was doing... Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Thornton and one of the Sedins both bashed the NHL over this as well. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted March 11, 2011 Author Share Posted March 11, 2011 sorry pal, your gonna have a tough time convincing even an idiot like me that that was a random hockey observation. can you define for me over the top? If you mean he can really handle himself, reacts quickly to guys taking shots at him and beats the crap out of guys, yes. But I dont think hes doing anything dirty, and I dont see him taking the first shot in many of those. I dont see him hunting down guys, or going after people.Come on, youve watched Chara play like I have. We both know he could be destroying guys on a nightly basis, but like 95% of the NHL, he plays pretty much within the rules, with the odd over the line play, usually precipiated by other plays beforehand. I dont have a love for the guy, I could care less about the Bruins, but he's being labelled so much worse than he deserves. Grossly unfair. Has he ever even been reviewed by the NHL before? Not that I recall.You wanna call that Pac play dirty, ok. I wont argue that. But I think for his size, for his position, and for the amount he plays, the guy is a reasonably clean player, especially his years in Ottawa and Boston. I dont know what he did in Europe when he was 20yrs old, and I have no idea if he burned ants when he was 5, but enough villifying. Lets move on.I was looking at videos on YouTube and came across this one. If I had thought it was relevant to the Pacioretty incident then I would have posted it in the Canadiens thread. Thanks though.And yes, I have watched Chara play many times and he CAN destroy players when he wants. So tell me why it ends up being Pacioretty who Chara has an obvious issue with? I'm curious why these issues aren't getting as much play as previous issues did during the Moore/Bertuzzi incident? The fact that Chara hasn't been reviewed by the NHL should hold very little weight. There had to be a first time for guys like Cooke, Bertuzzi, Avery, etc...When a guy checks someone from behind into the boards I don't hear many jumping to his defense claiming he's not a dirty player. Or asking if he's a quality teammate. He is judged mainly for that incident.The ant-burning comment is ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted March 11, 2011 Author Share Posted March 11, 2011 There ya go.... a former teammate of Chara's, saying he knew exactly what he was doing...Yeah, and did you catch Scott Thornton trying to engage Montador in a fight at the beginning of the game? Link to post Share on other sites
pezeveng 207 Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 I think the NHL has to simplify things just like the NFL.Early through last season the NFL placed a new rule no leading with the helmut hits. This rule was done sometime in October only 2 days after sundays games where 3 or 4 players got injured due to these types of hits. Since the rule was created these types of hits occured only 2 more times for the rest of the season.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSi4Po8NvK4...feature=relatedThe NFL commissioner is quick to act to save its players even though alot of defensive players were upset by it. The NFL gets it and is quick to react.All the NHL has to do is say anyone who hits someone where any part of the person hands, shoulder, helmut, skate or any part of you or your equipment hits another players head automatic 10 games no questions asked.Bettman just pussyfoots around and always says we'll look into it. I heard on primetime yesterday the only time Bettman has instituted a rule change right away was the stupid Avery incident with Brodeur. Players are getting seriously injured and the NHL sits back and says we'll talk in the summer. A player jumps like a monkey in front of a goalie and lets place a rule, this isn't good for the NHL.Bettmans response to the Air Canada threat sums up how he is the polar opposite of what hockey players and hockey fans are about. The guy is as smug of a person as can be and the owners have to really think hard about keeping him. Just look at the Phoenix fiasco and how he still won't admit he's wrong.One a side note Chris I heard Bettman has alot of side deals that are known but not known with alot of the owners thats why he remains in power is this true? Link to post Share on other sites
gruven 530 Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 You know, Daniel will remember this mebbe even better, but Daniel and I sat with Bettman at the NHL awards in 2009, in Vegas, and had dinner and talked. It was REALLY illuminating, and it changed my opinion of the man. One of the things he said (and the conversation was off the record, but this isn't defamatory) was that he works for the 30 owners of the NHL, not vice versa, and his job is to keep those guys happy, not the fans. If you think about it, that makes a lot of sense... Link to post Share on other sites
Fenxis 99 Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Thornton and one of the Sedins both bashed the NHL over this as well.Was really gets my goat is how Bettman professes that everyone* (but the teams involved) applaud the fact there was no suspension. * he must be only talking about hockey operations and some of his buddy buddy GM friends. Link to post Share on other sites
Fenxis 99 Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 You know, Daniel will remember this mebbe even better, but Daniel and I sat with Bettman at the NHL awards in 2009, in Vegas, and had dinner and talked. It was REALLY illuminating, and it changed my opinion of the man. One of the things he said (and the conversation was off the record, but this isn't defamatory) was that he works for the 30 owners of the NHL, not vice versa, and his job is to keep those guys happy, not the fans. If you think about it, that makes a lot of sense...Obviously.I think in the past that a lot of owners delegated their powers to their GMs -- though with Lemieux and Geoff Molson becoming more activist he might be in trouble (too bad about the 5-year extension in Nov for Bettman) Link to post Share on other sites
gruven 530 Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Was really gets my goat is how Bettman professes that everyone* (but the teams involved) applaud the fact there was no suspension. * he must be only talking about hockey operations and some of his buddy buddy GM friends.It's even bigger when you consider the 'code of silence' that usually prevails. For guys to call out a player like Chara is really unusual... Link to post Share on other sites
Fenxis 99 Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 It's even bigger when you consider the 'code of silence' that usually prevails. For guys to call out a player like Chara is really unusual...The "code of silence" and "this is a man's game" is very counter productive to safety improvement:Players rallied against:- goalie masks- player helmets- player visors- etc...Yet would not dream of going without most of those (now)...Apparently NFL players actually threw their food and drinks against the tv screens when the last batch of videos to try and prevent the annihilation of receivers going up for suicide players. Link to post Share on other sites
SBriand 4 Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Cogliano owes Devan a new car or something. Dubey, your brother looked amazing tonight and I was actually rooting for him to get the shutout. Games not over yet but he played a great game. Link to post Share on other sites
Fenxis 99 Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Ken Dryden on hockey violence: How could we be so stupid? http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hock...article1939428/ Link to post Share on other sites
coesillian 0 Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Ken Dryden on hockey violence: How could we be so stupid? http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hock...article1939428/ his last paragrah sums up my position well: Max Pacioretty was only the latest; he will not be the last. Arguments and explanations don't matter any more. The NHL has to risk the big steps that are needed: If some of them prove wrong, they'll still be far less wrong than what we have now.It is time to stop being stupid. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 lol interactive wheel of justice. http://www.nhlwheelofjustice.com/ Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 http://www.winnipegsun.com/life/columnists...d9259a3a04ce5,0not the Jets, but the Winnipeg Manitoba...?? Link to post Share on other sites
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