serge 904 Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 The Conn Smythe Trophy is awarded annually to the player judged most valuable to his team during the National Hockey League's Stanley Cup playoffs.By definition, Halak was very worthy, but I doubt he even got any consideration because somewhere along the line it has been unofficially determined that the winner must come from the Stanley Cup winning team with the occasional winner coming from the Stanley Cup Finals loser.I would support the Halak argument, but like you said he didnt make it to the finals...Argument can be made for Leighton to I guess..He did have a few bad games, but so did Halak. Link to post Share on other sites
ajs510 122 Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 Toews had only 3 assists in the finals and was a -1 overall in the playoffs. He definitely had some great games before the finals but I don't think he had a Conn Smythe worthy playoffs.I tried to argue with you but it's not easy, there are a lot of guys that could have been considered. Pronger probably had it locked up even in a losing effort until Game 5, and he was mostly invisible in Game 6. Danny Briere could have been considered in a losing effort, his line was easily the best in the playoffs and he tallied the most points of anyone. Kane scored more goals than Toews, including the last goal of the season, and only missed Toews' point total by one. I think being the second-youngest captain in league history went a long way in the voting and the guy who I personally thought deserved the Conn Smythe won it, but I can agree that there's more of a discussion than many years. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 I tried to argue with you but it's not easy, there are a lot of guys that could have been considered. Pronger probably had it locked up even in a losing effort until Game 5, and he was mostly invisible in Game 6. Danny Briere could have been considered in a losing effort, his line was easily the best in the playoffs and he tallied the most points of anyone. Kane scored more goals than Toews, including the last goal of the season, and only missed Toews' point total by one. I think being the second-youngest captain in league history went a long way in the voting and the guy who I personally thought deserved the Conn Smythe won it, but I can agree that there's more of a discussion than many years.I am sorry for being a cynic, but am i the only person that believes that if it was not a clear cut 100% choice, no one is giving Pronger the Conn Smythe award over Toews...Its a perfect story...Young team from Chicago wins cup after 48 year drought, 22 year old superstar emerges ORHated grizzly veteran known for his dirty play and numerous suspensions wins the Conn Smythe. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 I think if it was a marketing ploy, they go with the American, Kane. I think Toews is quite worthy based on all he does that doesn't show up on the scoresheet, plus what does. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 I think if it was a marketing ploy, they go with the American, Kane. I think Toews is quite worthy based on all he does that doesn't show up on the scoresheet, plus what does.Kane is a time bomb waiting to explode IMO...Cab drivers wouldnt be safe. Link to post Share on other sites
ajs510 122 Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 I would support the Halak argument, but like you said he didnt make it to the finals...Argument can be made for Leighton to I guess..He did have a few bad games, but so did Halak.I can't get behind either goalie. Halak was a big reason for his team's success but he wasn't the only reason, and I'm sorry but you can't be the most dominant player in the playoffs if your team didn't make the Final. Leighton put up a 5.00+ GAA on the road against Chicago and wasn't even the starter for Philly until the Conference Final. For me, there isn't a case for either player to be considered. If Halak had at least made the Cup Final and played at the same level as most of the first 3 rounds, I'd be in his corner because he really was a very important reason that Montreal slayed the giants. Link to post Share on other sites
ajs510 122 Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 I am sorry for being a cynic, but am i the only person that believes that if it was not a clear cut 100% choice, no one is giving Pronger the Conn Smythe award over Toews...Its a perfect story...Young team from Chicago wins cup after 48 year drought, 22 year old superstar emerges ORHated grizzly veteran known for his dirty play and numerous suspensions wins the Conn Smythe.I totally agree with you after Pronger's Game 5 and Game 6, but up to that point there was no question in my mind that he was going to win it no matter what. He made it easy for Toews to walk with the hardware. Most Valuable Forward in the Olympics, MVP of the Playoffs...Gold Medal, Stanley Cup...Toews has had himself quite a year of hockey. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted June 10, 2010 Author Share Posted June 10, 2010 I think if it was a marketing ploy, they go with the American, Kane. I think Toews is quite worthy based on all he does that doesn't show up on the scoresheet, plus what does.He did dominate faceoffs. Maybe it boils down to the fact that I don't think any one player had a Conn Smyth worthy playoffs. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted June 10, 2010 Author Share Posted June 10, 2010 I totally agree with you after Pronger's Game 5 and Game 6, but up to that point there was no question in my mind that he was going to win it no matter what. He made it easy for Toews to walk with the hardware. Most Valuable Forward in the Olympics, MVP of the Playoffs...Gold Medal, Stanley Cup...Toews has had himself quite a year of hockey. Most definitely! He should retire at 21 and become a legend. Link to post Share on other sites
ajs510 122 Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 Maybe it boils down to the fact that I don't think any one player had a Conn Smyth worthy playoffs.I can agree with this, but since they can't award it to multiple players or not award it at all, I have no problem at all with Jonathan Toews as MVP. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 I love Toews....I hope he is our new Crosby..Crosby is a has been... Link to post Share on other sites
SBriand 4 Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 I really like Toews. Some could learn from him in my opinion. As much as I hate Chicago, I was smiling when he took the Conn and the Cup. I stopped smiling when I saw Kane. I don't much care for him. Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 I agree with Steve. I feel like you can only get away with a funny haircut if you haven't assaulted a cab driver in the past year. Link to post Share on other sites
ajs510 122 Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 I agree with Steve. I feel like you can only get away with a funny haircut if you haven't assaulted a cab driver in the past year.Heh, Kaner looked every inch of a trailer-park crackhead by the end of the season, the mullet and the patch-beard are just awful and I'm pretty sure he had designs shaved into the sides of his head. LOLI have to like the kid though, he's a member of the Lost Cause and my first draft pick ever in the FCHL. Link to post Share on other sites
TheDaveyG 6 Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 The funny thing is that I believe most players don't care about being playoff MVP. It's the worst time to award it. They should award it at the awards show with all the other hardware. I can't remember the last time I saw a player get handed the Conn Smyth trophy and look really excited about it. This Blackhawks team is so deep and almost everyone at some point stepped up and had a huge play. Link to post Share on other sites
SBriand 4 Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 Heh, Kaner looked every inch of a trailer-park crackhead by the end of the season, the mullet and the patch-beard are just awful and I'm pretty sure he had designs shaved into the sides of his head. LOLI have to like the kid though, he's a member of the Lost Cause and my first draft pick ever in the FCHL.I have no idea what his hair looked like or anything like that. I thought he was a dbag long before the playoffs even started. But I really have grown to be a fan of Toews since the Olympics. Link to post Share on other sites
TheDaveyG 6 Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 Heh, Kaner looked every inch of a trailer-park crackhead by the end of the season, the mullet and the patch-beard are just awful and I'm pretty sure he had designs shaved into the sides of his head. LOLI have to like the kid though, he's a member of the Lost Cause and my first draft pick ever in the FCHL.Plus, you know he'll party with the Cup in Buffalo! Link to post Share on other sites
ajs510 122 Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 Plus, you know he'll party with the Cup in Buffalo!YES! Link to post Share on other sites
TheDaveyG 6 Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 I have no idea what his hair looked like or anything like that. I thought he was a dbag long before the playoffs even started. But I really have grown to be a fan of Toews since the Olympics.Kane and Toews are like night and day. They would never hang out if it weren't for hockey. I actually saw Kane come out his shell a little bit last night for the first time since the incident in Buffalo. Give Kane some time, he'll get more mature. Link to post Share on other sites
Mercury69 3 Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 I don't think Pronger should be in a discussion for Conn Smythe. There were a couple of Flyers who played better than him, overall (Scott Hartnell was a beast and Claude Giroux had a terrific final and Mike Richards and Timonen were pretty good, too).Certainly no goaltender in the finals deserved it. All involved were sieve-like. Fun fact: Did you know that the Flyers all-time franchise winning % is second best? Only the Habs have a better one... Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 Heh, Kaner looked every inch of a trailer-park crackhead by the end of the season, the mullet and the patch-beard are just awful and I'm pretty sure he had designs shaved into the sides of his head. LOLI have to like the kid though, he's a member of the Lost Cause and my first draft pick ever in the FCHL.Oh yeah, the whole thing was absolutely awesome. But he loses half the awesome points by being American, and the rest because I feel like part of it was hoping to have people forget about the cab driver. And awesomeness is very much like everything else in life...if you can't really good at it, you shouldn't try.Toews is absolutely awesome. I don't know much about Keith, but he seems awesome. Seabrook is awesome. I have an unreasonable prejudice against Byfuglien that is probably due to his hard-to-pronounce name, and his short-lived Defenceman status in fantasy hockey.Overall the Hawks seems like a classy, likeable bunch. Even more so when you compare them to the babyrapists on the Flyers. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 He did dominate faceoffs. Maybe it boils down to the fact that I don't think any one player had a Conn Smyth worthy playoffs.Yeah, I have no problem with that.I was blackout drunk for most of the finals, so I dunno wtf I'm talking about anyways. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted June 10, 2010 Author Share Posted June 10, 2010 I don't think Pronger should be in a discussion for Conn Smythe. There were a couple of Flyers who played better than him, overall (Scott Hartnell was a beast and Claude Giroux had a terrific final and Mike Richards and Timonen were pretty good, too).Certainly no goaltender in the finals deserved it. All involved were sieve-like. Fun fact: Did you know that the Flyers all-time franchise winning % is second best? Only the Habs have a better one...Mike Richards? Did he play in the finals? Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 Interesting fact:1970,1980,2000 and 2010 Stanley Cup was all won in OT. Link to post Share on other sites
SBriand 4 Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 Would be a neater stat if that was the only times the final game was OT but wasn't 96 and 99 also OT games to win the cup? Link to post Share on other sites
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