serge 904 Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 whats your question?My comments were that, yes, I hear+read the same stuff you guys do. But watching him play, and as much a tight ass as I can be, I dont really see anything he does that feels over the line. What, he gave the crowd a hand to the ear? Thats really not anything I find an egregious lack of character. Maybe there's something going on behind the scenes, or maybe NHL players are mostly racist. I dont know. What are "his ways" that you are referring to? No offense, but I dont expect to have a real discussion with you on the merits of a Habs player.Wayne, I kinda get what you mean about the smiling, youd like to see him broken up about the loss.....but I almost envy+respect the way he brushes it off, after giving it everything hes got during the game. Its over, we lost, lets move on. I like the "Im gonna kill someone or myself" look Toews gave after game 7 too, but to each his won. I feel like PK shows in his play he wants it as much as anyone else on the ice. Maybe Hab fans can correct me if Im wrong, but I dont see him dog it. Some Def miscues, but whats a young def. who doesnt need to mature as a player.Fair enough. Most of the comments I made are not mine but from what I have read and seen from other people. He has Avery like tendencies. He has goated many people on occasion and wont fight the heavyweights..Appreciate your view on him..It's literally just retarded media shit. Serge, you'd be all over the media's stupidity if he played in Toronto, instead you're buying into it.So what he pisses off people on the other teams? That's good!The Hal Gill thing you read about, pissing his own teammates off? From what I read, that was just a semi-joking thing to do, and Gill has taken a role as a mentor for him on that club, a father figure of sorts. One thing like that can be taken so out of context by people who don't know the everyday atmosphere and inner workings of a particular room.Of course it would be different if he played in Toronto. I am the ONLY one that doesnt hide that fact. He is just fueling the notion that he is cocky, arrogant and has douchey tendencies.Good luck to him, but when someone flattens him one day after a stupid move I dont think the NHL will be so forgiving. Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafpoker 1,462 Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Of course it would be different if he played in Toronto. I am the ONLY one that doesnt hide that fact. He is just fueling the notion that he is cocky, arrogant and has douchey tendencies.Good luck to him, but when someone flattens him one day after a stupid move I dont think the NHL will be so forgiving.Your the only what? Do you mean Leafs fans who admit their bias, or that the rest of us have a bias. What bias do I have for PK?Im sure taking a hit is something he has done his whole life. I cant even begin to imagine what hes had to go through with his "attitude". Link to post Share on other sites
troyomac 0 Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 I could see myself being a Subban fan if he wasn't wearing a Habs jersey. Link to post Share on other sites
pezeveng 207 Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 I thought "the what happened to all the noise" move by Subban was great. Subbans one timers are right up there with Brett Hull, great player with character that anyone would want on their team.I was pissed the Habs lost all three teams I was cheering for all lost in the 1st round, so now Iam stuck cheering for Nashville and TB. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Your the only what? Do you mean Leafs fans who admit their bias, or that the rest of us have a bias. What bias do I have for PK?Im sure taking a hit is something he has done his whole life. I cant even begin to imagine what hes had to go through with his "attitude".I wasnt saying you have a bias, but there is a lot of people here think its politically incorrect to have a bias and it makes them smarter and holier than now if they dont have a bias.Your "bias" is your annoyance with my posts...Which in part is warranted, but just because I have a bias you cant discredit all my arguments which is done by twittle dum and twittle dee in the forum. I expect that, and I understand the consequences of my posts. Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafpoker 1,462 Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 , but just because I have a bias you cant discredit all my arguments which is done by twittle dum and twittle dee in the forum.sorry, i find it difficult to figure out when your bias is in play, and when it isnt. If your talking about the Nashville Predators, Im always left wondering if there's some ex-Hab on the team that makes you hate them without merit or if the asst gm was mean to Ron Wilson in another job. If we're talking baseball, then its easy. When its hockey, I have no idea when your bias kicks in and when it doesnt. It seems like its always there, to be honest.whatever, its all good. enjoy your bias or whatever it is were calling it today. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 sorry, i find it difficult to figure out when your bias is in play, and when it isnt. If your talking about the Nashville Predators, Im always left wondering if there's some ex-Hab on the team that makes you hate them without merit or if the asst gm was mean to Ron Wilson in another job. If we're talking baseball, then its easy. When its hockey, I have no idea when your bias kicks in and when it doesnt. It seems like its always there, to be honest.whatever, its all good. enjoy your bias or whatever it is were calling it today. Thats fine.. Thats all brought on because of my posts..Thats cool..Go Armenia:) Link to post Share on other sites
Derswick 0 Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Thats fine.. Thats all brought on because of my posts..Thats cool..Go Armenia:)Wow! Serge I saw you had posted in the Habs thread and I thought 'I have got to read what Leafs biased, Habs bashing comment had he made! But I was really interested to read some well thought out posts here, you ok? :)As for Subban, I'd probably dislike him if he played elsewhere and must say I am disappointed he didn't take the offer to go play for Canada because of "bumps and bruises".I think he matured a lot over the season and can see some of his act being a little over the top especially at the beginning of the season when he had proved nothing in the league. Players will, and I believe have accepted him as the season when on as he proved himself, at least for this season, t be a top NHL defenceman, and they will accept him more if he continues to prove so. Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Wow! Serge I saw you had posted in the Habs thread and I thought 'I have got to read what Leafs biased, Habs bashing comment had he made! But I was really interested to read some well thought out posts here, you ok? :)As for Subban, I'd probably dislike him if he played elsewhere and must say I am disappointed he didn't take the offer to go play for Canada because of "bumps and bruises".I think he matured a lot over the season and can see some of his act being a little over the top especially at the beginning of the season when he had proved nothing in the league. Players will, and I believe have accepted him as the season when on as he proved himself, at least for this season, t be a top NHL defenceman, and they will accept him more if he continues to prove so.I kind of agree with the point about Subban. Same with Cammalleri not going. And plenty of non-Habs who decline as well, they're just the only ones I've noticed today. I think if you don't play for Canada and you aren't injured, you shouldn't be inviited back. There are exceptional circumstances, family situations, etc, which are fine of course. But someone like Hamrlik (another Hab, sorry! Coincidence I promise) who declines to play because he's going to be a UFA? That's his decision, and I don't seriously fault him for it, but I think he should lose his eligibility for the future. Link to post Share on other sites
SBriand 4 Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 I think if you don't play for Canada and you aren't injured, you shouldn't be inviited back.I don't pay much attention to international hockey but this seems wrong to me. If it is not mandatory and purely voluntary then I wholeheartedly disagree with this statement. These guys have spent 8 months playing hockey and to demand and give ultimatums is ridic. Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 I kind of agree with the point about Subban. Same with Cammalleri not going. And plenty of non-Habs who decline as well, they're just the only ones I've noticed today. I think if you don't play for Canada and you aren't injured, you shouldn't be inviited back. There are exceptional circumstances, family situations, etc, which are fine of course. But someone like Hamrlik (another Hab, sorry! Coincidence I promise) who declines to play because he's going to be a UFA? That's his decision, and I don't seriously fault him for it, but I think he should lose his eligibility for the future.I don't know about this either. The world championships in particular is a really long tournament. Devan had to Leave on April 21st, and I think he returns to Canada on May 12th or something?I can totally understand guys being at a point in their career where they just want to get back home to spend time with their wife/kids after a long grueling season. Link to post Share on other sites
gruven 530 Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 I don't pay much attention to international hockey but this seems wrong to me. If it is not mandatory and purely voluntary then I wholeheartedly disagree with this statement. These guys have spent 8 months playing hockey and to demand and give ultimatums is ridic.I agree. I think it's RIGHT to applaud players for going, and wrong to condemn them for not going. Long season aside, friend and family all suffer while they're gone, they're usually at least a little beat up, and as a complete aside, they feel like absolutel crap for being eliminated. It's like being knocked out of the Main Event of the WSOP right on the bubble, getting nothing to show for all your hard work, and then someone asks you to play a WSOP Circuit event the next day. All you wanna do is curl up in a ball... Link to post Share on other sites
Derswick 0 Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 I don't know about this either. The world championships in particular is a really long tournament. Devan had to Leave on April 21st, and I think he returns to Canada on May 12th or something?I can totally understand guys being at a point in their career where they just want to get back home to spend time with their wife/kids after a long grueling season.The guys being asked now are not making the same long commitment. I totally agree with UFA's not wanting to take a risk and older players who have played many times before passing. But Subban and some of the others. Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 I agree. I think it's RIGHT to applaud players for going, and wrong to condemn them for not going. Long season aside, friend and family all suffer while they're gone, they're usually at least a little beat up, and as a complete aside, they feel like absolutel crap for being eliminated. It's like being knocked out of the Main Event of the WSOP right on the bubble, getting nothing to show for all your hard work, and then someone asks you to play a WSOP Circuit event the next day. All you wanna do is curl up in a ball...Oh yeah, I have no problem with people declining. There are lots of good reasons. And this isn't the Olympics either, so the 'national pride' angle is not significant.To be honest, I think the whole tournament is idiotic. Either have it after the NHL season or during. Having only some NHL'ers makes the whole thing silly IMO. Link to post Share on other sites
SBriand 4 Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Oh yeah, I have no problem with people declining. There are lots of good reasons. And this isn't the Olympics either, so the 'national pride' angle is not significant.To be honest, I think the whole tournament is idiotic. Either have it after the NHL season or during. Having only some NHL'ers makes the whole thing silly IMO.You make no sense. You post earlier that anyone declining should never be asked again and then you post this. Are there two of you??? lol Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 You make no sense. You post earlier that anyone declining should never be asked again and then you post this. Are there two of you??? lolAt least.I realized that I was less angry about people declining than just the tournament itself's stupidity.But I also said in both posts I didn't have a problem with people not playing. I do have a problem picking and choosing when they'll play based on personal situations. I'll clarify that 'personal situations' does not refer to things like injuries, family stuff, etc, but things like 'being tired' or being a UFA. Those people should not be asked again. If someone has a real injury or a newborn, well, they can have a pass.After reading Chris' post I realized that I only had an issue with this because it makes the tournament's competition uneven and unpredictable. There is also no punishment for not playing, and since the only reward for playing is a bit of national pride, it seems to unevenly reward selfish people and/or punish 'good' people.Now, I'm pretty much just blaming it on the timing of the tournament. I'm not exactly making a big splash by saying someone is a bit of a jerk (just a bit of one) for not playing for reasons like being a UFA, or feeling tired one year, but not the next. Link to post Share on other sites
Nashtak 0 Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 I think i might just have to shave now. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted May 18, 2011 Author Share Posted May 18, 2011 Habs sign Alexei Yemelin to a two-way contract with signing bonus at a total of $984,000.Players under contract for next season:ForwardsTomas PlekanecMike CammalleriScott GomezBrian GiontaTravis MoenLars EllerMax PaciorettyAndrei KostitsynMathieu DarcheDavid DesharnaisDefenseP.K. SubbanJaroslav SpacekAlexei YemelinHal GillAndrei MarkovGoaliesCarey Price----------RFA ForwardsBenoit PouliotRyan WhiteTom PyattRFA DefenseJosh GorgesYannick WeberAlexandre Picard Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted June 20, 2011 Author Share Posted June 20, 2011 Updated above post to include signings of Hal Gill, Andrei Kostitsyn, Mathieu Darche and Max Pacioretty.Here are the cap hits:Hal Gill - 1 year $2,250,000Mathieu Darche - 1 year $700,000Andrei Kostitsyn - 1 year $3,250,000Max Pacioretty - 2 years $1,625,000, $1,625,000 Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted June 21, 2011 Author Share Posted June 21, 2011 David Desharnais signed for two years for a $850,000 cap hit.2011-12 $750,0002012-13 $950,000 Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted June 23, 2011 Author Share Posted June 23, 2011 Whispers through the grapevine indicate the Habs are close to resigning both Markov and Hamrlik. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 How do you feel about that? Markov's was rumoured to be the same cap hit as his last deal. Don't know about Hamrlik. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted June 24, 2011 Author Share Posted June 24, 2011 How do you feel about that? Markov's was rumoured to be the same cap hit as his last deal. Don't know about Hamrlik.I'm very happy to have Markov back. He's one of the elite offensive d-men in the league when he's healthy. I would rather see Hamrlik's money used as part of a very good offer to Wizniewski, but it looks like he's going to Detroit or Boston. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted June 24, 2011 Author Share Posted June 24, 2011 Updated above post to include signings of Hal Gill, Andrei Kostitsyn, Mathieu Darche and Max Pacioretty.Here are the cap hits:Hal Gill - 1 year $2,250,000Mathieu Darche - 1 year $700,000Andrei Kostitsyn - 1 year $3,250,000Max Pacioretty - 2 years $1,625,000, $1,625,000 David Desharnais signed for two years for a $850,000 cap hit.2011-12 $750,0002012-13 $950,000Andrei Markov $5,750,000, $5,750,000, $5,750,000 Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted June 24, 2011 Author Share Posted June 24, 2011 I'm hoping the Habs can snag Mark McNeill with their first round pick. Link to post Share on other sites
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