MapleLeafpoker 1,462 Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 I disagree that the effect on the Leafs would be any more than the general effect on the league. We disagree. If Kevin Shattenkirk goes to St.Louis with the same contract as a comparable, they say we cant afford to pay that much for such a D, or that they refuse to pay anyone more then Pietrangelo. The Leafs dont have those excuses, since they have shown they were willing to pay that amount, for that calibre of player. But even if it has only a general effect on the league, wouldnt that in itself be a negative too? oh, and Sakic, Fedorov, Kesler, Vanek, Weber........Penner. Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 We disagree. If Kevin Shattenkirk goes to St.Louis with the same contract as a comparable, they say we cant afford to pay that much for such a D, or that they refuse to pay anyone more then Pietrangelo. The Leafs dont have those excuses, since they have shown they were willing to pay that amount, for that calibre of player. But even if it has only a general effect on the league, wouldnt that in itself be a negative too? oh, and Sakic, Fedorov, Kesler, Vanek, Weber........Penner. The general effect on the league is a negative for sure, but that's collusion to consider it for those reasons and technically not allowed. I think you are severely oversimplifying negotiations. Because the Leafs paid Subban this year, Gardiner is going to ask for more next year? They're different players and in different situations. I won't argue it will effect the general market, but to say a specific team making offer sheets will have to pay their own players more is unreasonable, in my opinion. If anything, the fact that anyone negotiating with them would know they are willing to offer sheet, and therefore have access to a larger group of players, would actually improve their negotiating position! Maybe next year Gardiner wants a big contract, knows the Leafs have crappy UFA options, but can't demand the big bucks, because he knows the Leafs are willing to offer sheet Subban or whoever is available. Link to post Share on other sites
InternetExplorer 2,609 Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 I need to know if I'm supposed to just release Lars Eller this summer. it's really not looking good fantasy-wise, guys. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted February 9, 2013 Author Share Posted February 9, 2013 Give him more time if you have it. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 I would call him up (not release him) in the summer, and then make a decision on whether or not to re-sign at the end of the season. You get another year and a half to decide. He's $1.00 and just a single roster spot, so no biggie, IMO. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted February 9, 2013 Author Share Posted February 9, 2013 That would be a good move. Gionta has only one more season left after this one with Montreal. I think Eller will move into the top six and his offensive numbers will improve. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 The other thing, if he's just not good enough for your roster in 14/15, you can always trade him as an RFA to someone who has more time to wait it out and get something back. Link to post Share on other sites
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Dubey 1,035 Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 sorry for continuing on about this, but does that photo actually prove anything? Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted February 11, 2013 Author Share Posted February 11, 2013 It proves Grabovski had two free hands and had options other than biting. Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 It proves Grabovski had two free hands and had options other than biting. I'm no self defense expert but having 2 free hands doesn't mean you can remove somebodies arm from you in that position. It's why you choke somebody from behind since the choker has the leverage. Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 what other options exactly? he's clearly attempting to pry his arms free with his free hands, but that's nearly impossible with the lock Pacioretty has on him. is he supossed to start throwing wild backwards punches at his face? Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted February 11, 2013 Author Share Posted February 11, 2013 I'm also no self-defense expert but if someone is allegedly trying to choke me with the inside of his wrist and I have two free hands I'm pretty sure I'd have options other than biting. Turn body, turn head, push arm up, drop down. Grabovski chose to bite...it wasn't his only option. Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 I'm also no self-defense expert but if someone is allegedly trying to choke me with the inside of his wrist and I have two free hands I'm pretty sure I'd have options other than biting. Turn body, turn head, push arm up, drop down. Grabovski chose to bite...it wasn't his only option. Not that I give a crap, but that is far from true. His back is against a swarm of other people, he may have been losing his balance and falling under skates, and a much stronger person than him putting a lot of force on his face through his mouth. I mean, a few butterflies playing Red Rover could probably hold Grabovski back, but that's not really the question. If it was any kind of vicious bite (which that photo doesn't prove at all), then he's kind of a loser-wuss, but maybe he was just excited for Walking Dead to start up again. I've been biting people all day. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted February 11, 2013 Author Share Posted February 11, 2013 In summary: Prust sucker-punched someone. I haven't seen any video of said punch, but Bob Cole claimed there was a punch thrown by Prust and Bob Cole is never mistaken. Not sure where the "sucker" part came from though. Orr was justified in punching Bourque in the face because Bourque skated into the play to stop Orr from beating Gionta. Orr was justified in taking a run at Plekanec with 5 minutes to go in a 5-0 game because Plekanec "poked the bear" by knocking Orr's stick away from him a few moments prior. Pacioretty was trying to smother Grabovski with the inside of his forearm, therefore Grabovski was justified in biting Pacioretty. Gorges was "almost crying" during the post game interview. Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 I don't believe Orr was justified in taking a run at Pleks. I thought it was a dirty play. Gionta actually engaged with Orr, and I do not believe Orr had any intention of doing anything with Gionta other than holding on to him. If Orr had wanted to, he could have dropped Gionta pretty quickly, but he didn't, he just held on. Bourque then engaged Orr from behind. I don't know if Orr was justified in punching Bourque, I would have liked to see him just hang on and not throw a punch, but if you grab a goon from behind who already has his gloves off, you should at least prepare yourself for the possibility that he is going to punch you. Pacioretty was definitely smothering Grabovskis' face from behind, this isn't really up for debate. I don't think he was intentionally trying to cut off his air flow, but the pictures and video speak for themselves. I do not believe that grabovski actually bit him, however, I believe he was justified in doing so if he indeed couldn't breathe. Rational thoughts go out the window when your air supply is cut off. Gorges 'appeared' to be almost crying in his post-game interview, this part is true. Also made disparaging remarks about Grabovski's 'manhood' and indicated that he should 'be a man' and drop the gloves rather than bite someone, which is a ridiculous comment to make, given the nature of the incident. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted February 11, 2013 Author Share Posted February 11, 2013 Orr dropped his gloves and engaged with Gionta. 5-6 second mark Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted February 11, 2013 Author Share Posted February 11, 2013 For those curious: Orr 6'3" 222 lbs Gionta 5'7" 174 lbs McLaren 6'5" 230 lbs Gorges 6'1" 203 lbs Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 are you guys still talking about this? Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted February 11, 2013 Author Share Posted February 11, 2013 Sort of...it's hard to decide which one of the many stimulating conversations in this forum to get involved in. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Sort of...it's hard to decide which one of the many stimulating conversations in this forum to get involved in. Post of the year Obvious what drives discussion. Greatest rivalry in sport. The hatred that unites us all. Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 For those curious: Orr 6'3" 222 lbs Gionta 5'7" 174 lbs McLaren 6'5" 230 lbs Gorges 6'1" 203 lbs Can't tell at all by the video what happened with Orr/Gionta/Bourque. I also can't tell who started the McLaren/Gorges fight. It is, however, obvious that McLaren could have destroyed Gorges at any time, but instead simply held him while Gorges was actually trying to fight. McLaren completely let up. At one point, he appears to even ask if Gorges wants to stop, Gorges says no, and McLaren STILL doesn't retaliate until Gorges throws another punch, and even then, at half-strength. Maybe Gorges was crying because he tried to fight someone bigger than him (not saying he initiated it), and was totally embarassed. Sorry, I see this discussion is happening in another thread. Ignore this. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted February 16, 2013 Author Share Posted February 16, 2013 The bad news is Price is sick so Budaj starts tonight. The good news is that my AHL opponent Red Ravens) has MTL goalies tonight. Link to post Share on other sites
JubilantLankyLad 1,957 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 . Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 http://www.queerty.com/montreal-canadiens-player-rumored-to-be-coming-out-as-nhls-first-openly-gay-player-20130305/ Looks like Josh Gorges might be coming out as the first openly GAY NHL player.. Good for him, it cant be easy for him but its a very positive thing to happen. Link to post Share on other sites
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