digitalmonkey 929 Posted November 29, 2011 Author Share Posted November 29, 2011 I thought that article linked up above was kind of crappy."Making a hit during that play was illegal and Chara received an interference penalty for it. By definition, that makes his hit NOT a hockey play."Is this true? Any play that is called for a penalty is not a hockey play? That doesn't seem right.I think the author is referring to the term "hockey play" as it was used by some to justify Chara's actions. Chara's hit occurred when Pacioretty didn't have the puck. Pacioretty's hit occurred when Letang had the puck. I think that's the distinction the author is making.Oh and welcome to this thread. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Whether it's the right terminology or not, yeah, that's the basic distinction being made, I agree.Pacioretty's hit was more of a hockey play, in the sense that Letang had just released the puck a split second earlier, whereas Chara hit Pacioretty long enough after he had rid himself of the puck that it warranted an interference call (was it a major too?).However, my feeling on the hit, and not sure exactly how this gels with the current form of the rule, is just that it's not a hit that needs to happen. Letang is going to be in a vulnerable spot when he's taking a shot there, and Pactioretty coming from the (arguably) blind side, he really doesn't need to try to kill him there. I agree with your earlier post about the reason for a hit, Dale, to separate the man from the puck, not injure someone in a prone position.Anyways, I got a little off track. I just think that you want to eliminate hits on guys in vulnerable spots like that, and as far as I've read so far, they want to put the onus on the hitter, not the hittee. We'll see how that swings in the future, ie, will guys be showing their back on the boards so that they know nobody can hit them? That could become an issue maybe? For now, that's how I feel though.I'm just happy Letang seems to be ok, aside from his broke nose. Doesn't seem like he's got a concussion, although I'm not sure they've completed all the tests. He was late to practice because he was meeting with the doctors this morning, but did participate fully once he joined the team, and Bylsma said he expects to have him available tomorrow night. Link to post Share on other sites
Dread Aidan 8 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 I think the author is referring to the term "hockey play" as it was used by some to justify Chara's actions. Chara's hit occurred when Pacioretty didn't have the puck. Pacioretty's hit occurred when Letang had the puck. I think that's the distinction the author is making.Oh and welcome to this thread.I don't think I disagreed with his overall point, I just thought it wasn't written very well. Like where he lists three twitter posts and says, "Where's the bias, huh? Huh?" and then jabs his finger in your chest. At least that's how I read it.I almost never know which thread I'm in while in the hockey forum. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted November 29, 2011 Author Share Posted November 29, 2011 renhockey Renaud P Lavoie #canadiens Max Pacioretty suspendu pour 3 matchs. 3 game suspension. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Cool, I called it. I think it's fair, trying to look as an outsider. Would be tougher to do if Letang had been seriously injured, but I think I can be objective. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 renhockey Renaud P Lavoie #canadiens Max Pacioretty suspendu pour 3 matchs. 3 game suspension.I think its fair.. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Shanny's vid: http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?c...0&id=138334I think it's pretty good. I agree with all points. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted November 29, 2011 Author Share Posted November 29, 2011 Shanny's vid: http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?c...0&id=138334I think it's pretty good. I agree with all points.I don't agree with the "targeted the head" part though.Have a look at the Deveaux hit on Fleischman. Link to post Share on other sites
dEv~ 19 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 I don't agree with the "targeted the head" part though.I don't see how you could possibly say that. Obviously we're both biased but it's pretty clear. (especially on the replay where the spotlight is on letang's upper body)I was thinking 1-2 games with no prior history but in my view that is pretty much textbook for what the league is trying to get rid of. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 In the video, he froze it when Letang's head got whipped around, and then the rest of their bodies made contact. I took that to mean that that was the evidence that the head was the "principle point of contact". That doesn't mean he meant to hit him in the head, but the onus is on the hitter when the player with the puck didn't significantly change the position of his head immediately prior to contact. Link to post Share on other sites
Mercury69 3 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 I think Pac went too high on the hit and that resulted in some head contact. If he crouchers even a couple of inches or so and goes body to body, there is no suspension.3 games is fine with me. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted December 2, 2011 Author Share Posted December 2, 2011 Nice hit. Link to post Share on other sites
Dread Aidan 8 Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 One game suspension max.That's what we talk about after a big hit, right? Link to post Share on other sites
SBriand 4 Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Looks clean as clean could be. Surprised Pavelski isn't injured since he is a Beaver and all my players are injured. Link to post Share on other sites
ajs510 122 Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Looks clean as clean could be.Yup, gorgeous and perfectly clean hit. I liked Brayden McNabb's hit the other day...kid is going to be a gamer (for Anaheim after he gets traded in the Bobby Ryan deal). Link to post Share on other sites
Dread Aidan 8 Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Looks clean as clean could be. Yup, gorgeous and perfectly clean hit.I don't know guys, he hit him pretty hard. Link to post Share on other sites
ajs510 122 Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 I don't know guys, he hit him pretty hard.Yes. Yes he did. A hard hit was delivered. Link to post Share on other sites
Mercury69 3 Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Nice hit by Emelin, shoulder to chest. If you ask me, Pavelski almost looks like he stepped into that one on purpose, which is odd to say 'cause no one wants to get crunched like that...do they? Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted December 2, 2011 Author Share Posted December 2, 2011 Nice hit by Emelin, shoulder to chest. If you ask me, Pavelski almost looks like he stepped into that one on purpose, which is odd to say 'cause no one wants to get crunched like that...do they?He didn't step in intentionally. He was moving up ice with the puck and made a move in the direction from where Emelin was coming. Link to post Share on other sites
Mercury69 3 Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 He didn't step in intentionally. He was moving up ice with the puck and made a move in the direction from where Emelin was coming.Poor vision imo Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted December 2, 2011 Author Share Posted December 2, 2011 Poor vision imoMeh...open-ice hits like that are rare. Link to post Share on other sites
strategy 4 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 hey, is eller ever going to be the player the blues thought they were drafting? Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted December 6, 2011 Author Share Posted December 6, 2011 hey, is eller ever going to be the player the blues thought they were drafting?He's looked like a very solid two-way player for the most part this season. Link to post Share on other sites
strategy 4 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 He's looked like a very solid two-way player for the most part this season.I guess I shouldn't complain about him being a full-time NHLer.... Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 His speed in the Pens/Habs game was quite impressive. Looked dangerous all game. Link to post Share on other sites
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