dead aces, and the wheel

[koolromeo 0]

i hate a-9. i call it poison because it's knocked me out of so many tournaments. i bet i've been busted out of a dozen final tables with a-9. it looks so pretty when you are super shortstacked and have to move in really soon. the only time i ever won a tournament with it didn't even count! i was heads up in a home tournament with about a $1000 going to the winner. i had a-9 he turns over pocket queeens. ace hit the flop, he doens't improve, and i still lose because we were using 2 decks and they flopped the cards from the wrong deck! when we did it right i of course lost. wheel cards treat me better. the biggest pot i ever won in a 5-10 game i had a-4 suited and won $365 in a pot that was capped on every street when i hit the wheel on the turn.

[justblaze 0]

i hate a-9. i call it poison because it's knocked me out of so many tournaments. i bet i've been busted out of a dozen final tables with a-9. it looks so pretty when you are super shortstacked and have to move in really soon. the only time i ever won a tournament with it didn't even count! i was heads up in a home tournament with about a $1000 going to the winner. i had a-9 he turns over pocket queeens. ace hit the flop, he doens't improve, and i still lose because we were using 2 decks and they flopped the cards from the wrong deck! when we did it right i of course lost. wheel cards treat me better. the biggest pot i ever won in a 5-10 game i had a-4 suited and won $365 in a pot that was capped on every street when i hit the wheel on the turn.

tournaments are a completely different thing. If you are playing ANY of the hands we're discussing anywhere in a tournament other than the endgame you deserve to lose.

[KramitDaToad 0]

After that you are looking at straight draws, which will occur a lot more frequently, however any draw you flop requiring both your hole cards is going to be a gutshot. (I'll slap the first moron that tries A5 on a flop of 346 as a valid argument)

Hmmm... looks like an 8-outter to me... which is better than a 4 outter.If i'm playing A-5 and that flop comes down, i feel good about my odds (all depending on how the pot plays out, and my position).

SLAPThe A in this hand is irrelevant. You'll have the same straight outs as you would if you were holding J5The frequency of this occuring is the same as flopping an OESD with A9 so in a discussion about the straight benefits of A2-5 vs A9 the above earns you another slapSLAP

[bampote 0]

SLAP The A in this hand is irrelevant. You'll have the same straight outs as you would if you were holding J5 The frequency of this occuring is the same as flopping an OESD with A9 so in a discussion about the straight benefits of A2-5 vs A9 the above earns you another slap SLAP

That just made my morning.

[Mr Monkey 0]

in a unraised pot A9 is better then A4. but in a multiway pot with any betting or raising i would take A4 before A9. i didnt assume it was a unraised pot or the position i am in, i thought it was an average multiway pot with betting preflop. I wouldnt usually play ethier in a raised pot but if i did i would prefer A4

[SapphireTiger 0]

to me...preflop A4off is the same as A9off. I'm gonna play them the same way because i consider them both TRASH. i will hardly play either.now SUITED...well i originally thought what the OP's friend thought but after pokertracker and a little research i realized i was WRONG.

[ofplayer 0]

A9 is a better hand if you know how to get away from it. But I think there is a general point: the higher cards don't matter. I'd rather have A4 suited than A6 suited. As to these people who are saying that you should compare them preflop, that's ridiculous. K10 suited is a slight favorite over 55 preflop. I don't know about you, but I'd rather have 5-5 preflop than K10 suited. And I'd much rather have AKo than 66.

[jack24bauer24 0]

I'll play ace2-ace5 suited over ace6-ace9 suited.I'll limp with a2-a5 suited whereas I'm more likely to just fold with a6-a9suited.Reason for this is, when I have these hands I'm looking for the following...a 33X flop...the nut flush draw, or the straight draw...I'm not playing NL to win a pot with a pair of aces and a 7 kicker...you will die doing so.I'll take a4 over a9 anyday.I believe it was in SS1 where Doyle said the same thing.