Dn's Book & A Teaching Idea...

[Squirrelmonger 0]

I fairly rarely post here, so I will try and make it a good one~First and foremost does anyone have solid info on the release date of DN's book? I have checked amazon, cardozapub.com, and google'd to page 4 (50 results per page). All I can find are references to release dates that have already passed. I realise the answer may be simply that it is pushed back again and it won't be soon. I pretty much am hoping for up to date information whatever it might be....The teaching idea....The thought is this, in sports in order to train people to do a task, for instance hitting a baseball. You would practise hitting a baseball from a pitcher. Now if you wanted to get to the point where you could hit any fastball a top-notch pitcher could throw at you, you would train with a mechanical pitcher and set it to throw 5-10mph faster than what you can handle and work your way up until you are able to hit rediculous 110-120mph fastballs, and even if you couldn't consistantly hit them at 110-120, when you slowed it down to the 90-100 range that most pitchers can hit it would seem very easy by camparison.This concept is based on that sort of idea. Teaching by exagerrating the problem so that you handle the actual situation better. Ok enough beating around the bush here is the basic idea. A modified hold'em game, each player recieves a starting hand of three cards. All players who reach the river select one of their three down cards and place it face up in front of them. Any other player can use that card as the river card (there is no actual river card dealt the "flipped up" down cards act as the river). The idea here is that if you have down cards of say Ah, Jh, 10c and the board is Jc,9c,Qc,Ad you really don't want to put the 10c down because it creates flush and straight possibilities, but at the same time dropping the jack on the board creates the possibility that you allow another A-x to tie you since you would both have A's & J's Q kicker, or let A-Q beat you outright, as well as any random jack beats you.The point is it really forces you to read your opponents and know where they are at in the hand, it exagerates the need for that ability and ideally would force a person to cultivate and learn the ability or they would sink. Ok, I'm sure to some this sounds gimmicky and all, but when you really think about the level of strategy this adds to the game of hold'em (especially the implications of a 3-way showdown holy crap!) it really forces you to constantly look at every angle, every street, and every bet and figure out where is my opponent in this hand. Because if you are wrong you can literally give away the pot. Not to mention the information/missinformation about your hand your opponent gets from seeing which card you choose. Or the psychological implications of watching your opponent drop a 5h onto a board of Ah, 4c, 6h, 7h allowing you to bet into his fears of allowing you to complete a straight....but then you always have to wonder did he drop the straight card to help me complete the straight to pounce with his flush...or if you were paying attention to the number of hearts there the more likely scenario of him dropping a 4th heart while holding Kh in hopes you have a high heart yourself to pounce on etc....Ok, I am open to questions and comments on this little idea of mine, I hope some folks will find it helpful and if you like the idea please give it a try and let me know if there is (or isn't) something to it. A lot of the regulars here are far more skilled and accomplished players than I am, and I do not mean that as a kiss-*** type of thing, just a fact, I have learned a lot from reading here and know I have plenty more to learn. So I am very interested to hear your responces and if the whole idea is crap(wouldn't shock me) I honestly would like to understand the reasons why its crap.Finally, I hope that this game doesn't already exists and that I am not the only idiot who has never heard of it....but if it does I would appreciate a link =)PS - I have dubbed it Squirrel-Poker but hey I like squirrels =P So I am open to name ideas also.PPS - Probably getting a bit ahead of myself here, but if the idea takes off I would love to hear DN's take on both the game and the concept behind it.

[MinhLyFan 1]

This game sounds really interesting; ill make sure to try it with my friends this weekend and let you know how it goes.

[JesseW316 0]

The idea of the exaggerated teaching is good. The concept of the game is good. I don't think it would be practical to play. It's sort of complicated and I'm sure the time taken to play a hand and make the decision on the river would allow for very few hands an hour. I think this game would be unmarketable to the fish and recreational players so I don't see it gaining popularity. However, I think if a bunch of skilled players are hanging out this would be a very fun and educational game to experiment with. I'd play as long as I was with a bunch of talented players because we would benefit the most out of it. With some fish and recreational players around, this game would be boring as they wouldn't ever challenge you to play better.

[Ouch-8s 4]

It's really strange, I actually thought nearly the same thing yesterday as I was coming back from lunch. The only difference was that the card was discarded face up into the muck (not as the river). I do like your version better though. It's like a combination of Gin & Poker.Do you allow betting after the river(s) are exposed?

[DCJ001 0]

It annoys me that amazon does that. It should have said early 08'. My section is all but done, but this is a 600 page book and the work the other writers contributed needs to be edited.

[chrozzo 19]

DNs writing another book?when was this announced?

[mx957 0]

In this thread earlier this week....DN says himself "Early 08"http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...showtopic=94350

[strate 0]

thatwouldnt work, it would jsut make the odds weird

[stevielarson 0]

thatwouldnt work, it would jsut make the odds weird

good reasoning

[Squirrelmonger 0]

To answer a few folks, responding in order of reply...To JesseW316,We actually have a lot of similar concerns about the playability of the game. Thats the reason I was suggesting it as a teaching tool though. I definitely think playing it with lesser skilled players it would not be a good game. But if it was a heads-up or even just a short-handed game with a few skilled players and a few unskilled players at about a 2 to 1 ratio. In that situation if the skilled players are actually helping and pointing out mistakes etc.. I think the game would be at its best for teaching, obviously a person needs to be at a certain level of the game for it to have any effect whatsoever.That being said, when I think about your comments a bit more, I can actually see how very skilled players would enjoy the game a great deal.To Ouch-8's, Yes there is betting after the "river" card(s) are exposed, for all intents and purposes the game is exactly like hold'em except the number of hole cards to start and where the river comes from. Also if someone folds after the river is exposed the card would stay, there would be far too many implications of their card leaving when they folded imho.If anyone sees a major problem with any aspect of it, I would love to hear ideas to improve it.To strate,I don't really get what you are trying to say. Changing the odds isn't really a huge disaster to the playability so long as the player's realize the odds have in fact changed. The biggest impact I am seeing is trying to river a flush, straight, etc... but at the end of the day I think most good players will absolutely love the idea that they can of a small bit of control over their opponents getting lucky on the river.I just want to restate that I don't think this is the type of game that would actually have tournaments or anything. I merely intended it as a tool for a more skilled player to help show a less skilled player the implications of each card that hits the board and what the bets surrounding it mean and in general a tool to learn to read where your opponent is at in a hand. But I now also think that it might actually be a decent cash game format. But since I have extremely limited cash game play, I will leave that to some of the other members to tell me their opinionsTo everyone responding about the book, Thanks, not sure why the result didn't show up on google, but it is good to know either way.

[Mongoosey 0]

The name of your game should be called something different then Squirrel Poker, hmmm,what about calling it Go Fish!

[Squirrelmonger 0]

Haha, I hadn't really thought about that. There definitely are some similarities though. Maybe reverse go fish? On the river you are basically saying "Do you not have any ____?"