digitalmonkey 929 Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 I was curious to see how many of their own draft choices teams had on their current rosters... Also would like to add the following components of the Leafs are all Leaf draft picksTomas Kaberle.....1996 ..#204 overallKyle Wellwood.....2001 #134 overallIan White...........2002 #191 overallPonikarovsky.....1998 #87 overallAlex Steen.........2002 #24 overallMatt Stajan........2002 #57 overallCarlo Colaiacovo...2001 #17 overallYanik Perreault.....1991 #47 overall(re acquired)Nik Antropov....1998 #10th overallSo as you see there are 8 players on the current roster who have been drafted by the leafs....Also we can see that they have really drafted well in the later rounds....We havent had the luxury of 5 top 2 draft picks back to back like the Senators or the Penguins...ThanksHeres a few teams...Montreal Canadiens 12Mike Komisarek/2001/7thAndrei Markov/1998/162ndMark Streit/2004/262ndChris Higgins/2002/14thSaku Koivu/1993/21stAndrei Kostitsyn/2003/10thMaxim Lapierre/2003/61stGuillaume Latendresse/2005/45thAlexander Perezhogin/2001/25thTomas Plekanec/2001/71stMichael Ryder/1998/216thJaroslav Halak/2003/271stBuffalo Sabres 12Ryan Miller/1999/138thBrian Campbell/1997/156thDimitri Kalinin/1998/18thNathan Paetsch/2003/202ndHenrik Tallinder/1997/48thClarke MacArthur/2003/74thDaniel Paille/2002/20thAndrew Peters/1998/34thJason Pomminville/2001/55thDerek Roy/2001/32ndDrew Stafford/2004/13thThomas Vanek/2003/5thOttawa Senators 12Ray Emery/2001/99thAndrej Meszaros/2004/23rdChris Phillips/1996/1stChristoph Schubert/2001/127thAnton Volchenkov/2000/21stDaniel Alfredsson/1994/133rdPatrick Eaves/2003/29thMike Fisher/1998/44thChris Kelly/1999/94thChris Neil/1998/161stJason Spezza/2001/2ndAntoine Vermette/2000/55thWithout checking, what team do you think has the most?2Phoenix3CalgaryNew York Islanders4AnaheimChicago5AtlantaNew York Rangers6BostonNashville7CarolinaFloridaLos Angeles8ColumbusDallasMinnesotaTampa BayVancouver9DetroitPhiladelphiaToronto10ColoradoSt. Louis11Washington12MontrealOttawaBuffalo13EdmontonNew Jersey14Pittsburgh15San Jose* I used www.tsn.ca as source for rosters. Link to post Share on other sites
rinswun 6 Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 did you includes undrafted FA's in that? i actually though new jersey was leading the league in own draft picks but we lost hale at the deadline and i guess greene, rafalski and madden were all undrafted Link to post Share on other sites
runthemover 39 Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 as a sharks fan I knew we were highest (they've mentioned it on our telecast before) I was surprised to see Anaheim so low. I didn't think edmonton would have that many. Not surprising at all to see some of the bad teams with so few. phoenix only has 2? good god. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted March 22, 2007 Author Share Posted March 22, 2007 did you includes undrafted FA's in that? i actually though new jersey was leading the league in own draft picks but we lost hale at the deadline and i guess greene, rafalski and madden were all undraftedNo I did not include undrafted free agents in my list of drafted players. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted March 22, 2007 Author Share Posted March 22, 2007 as a sharks fan I knew we were highest (they've mentioned it on our telecast before) I was surprised to see Anaheim so low. I didn't think edmonton would have that many. Not surprising at all to see some of the bad teams with so few. phoenix only has 2? good god.Anaheim has had some recent success signing free agents out of college. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 Anaheim has had some recent success signing free agents out of college.Cue serge's Dustin Penner rant. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted March 22, 2007 Author Share Posted March 22, 2007 Cue serge's Dustin Penner rant. I was going to say the same thing, but he probably doesn't know how Anaheim acquired him. He probably thinks Penner grew from magic beans. Link to post Share on other sites
Belanger25 3 Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 Seeing San Jose at the top I realize this is what Dean Lombardi wants to do with the Kings. I have no problem with it. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted March 22, 2007 Author Share Posted March 22, 2007 Seeing San Jose at the top I realize this is what Dean Lombardi wants to do with the Kings. I have no problem with it.I think it's necessary with the salary cap. Link to post Share on other sites
doox 15 Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 I thought Pittsburgh was up there or highest - didn't realize San Jose was the highest, though. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 I really dont know what this actually means...Is it good to have a high number of own draft picks or a good mixture of both??Anaheim,Atlanta and Nashville are succesful teams without too many draft picks...I am very happy with the current leafs...Good draftpicks(especially late) like Kaberle and Wellwoodand also good trades Sundin,Tucker,MccabeThe notion is that the Leafs build through free agency...This is not true at all Link to post Share on other sites
runthemover 39 Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 serge it just gives a little insight into how these teams have been built. the reason people say the leafs "build through free-agency" is because they tend to sign high-profile name players. Older guys who have made big impacts (many of them canadian) sort of like the yankees except without the championships. lets see if I can name the 15 sharks. my guesshannanvlasicehrhoff (sp is so wrong)davidsoncloweberniermichalekcheechoomarleautoskalanabokovsmithpavelskigocrissmilleredit: left carle off. I think riss was a undrafted fa Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 serge it just gives a little insight into how these teams have been built. the reason people say the leafs "build through free-agency" is because they tend to sign high-profile name players. Older guys who have made big impacts (many of them canadian) sort of like the yankees except without the championships. lets see if I can name the 15 sharks. my guesshannanvlasicehrhoff (sp is so wrong)davidsoncloweberniermichalekcheechoomarleautoskalanabokovsmithpavelskigocrissmilleredit: left carle off. I think riss was a undrafted faI will argue that one way is not better than another...With the salary cap it will be very difficult to keep a team together like the Penguins or the Sabres...THe Sabres are already facing it and the Penguins have a 3-5 year window before they run into problems. Link to post Share on other sites
runthemover 39 Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 I will argue that one way is not better than another...With the salary cap it will be very difficult to keep a team together like the Penguins or the Sabres...THe Sabres are already facing it and the Penguins have a 3-5 year window before they run into problems.yes, if it was so easy then everyone would be doing it, but the draft is the best way to build an organization. it means if you lose people you can replace them cheaply. I think the pens expect that before that 3-5 year window they will have at least one championship. that's the idea. then you must scale back and rebuild for another championship.I think any "contender" really only has 1 or sometimes 2 or 3 years where they really have a chance to win the cup. I would argue that teams that build through the draft have a better chance at extending this window than a free-agency built team. you can't keep everyone every year, so you need to plug those holes. young guys allow this to be done cheaply. that's why a team like the sharks will make a run this year and even though they will lose some of their assests, they will most likely have a chance at another cup in the next few seasons. Link to post Share on other sites
Tailspin 0 Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 I will argue that one way is not better than another...With the salary cap it will be very difficult to keep a team together like the Penguins or the Sabres...THe Sabres are already facing it and the Penguins have a 3-5 year window before they run into problems.Leafs have been running into problems for what, 40 years? Link to post Share on other sites
gruven 530 Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 I will argue that one way is not better than another...With the salary cap it will be very difficult to keep a team together like the Penguins or the Sabres...THe Sabres are already facing it and the Penguins have a 3-5 year window before they run into problems. Aren't those good problems to have? As opposed to having to keep together your pile of Leaf mediocrity? I'd rather be faced with the dilemna of trying to keep together a young superstar team anyday.... Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 Aren't those good problems to have? As opposed to having to keep together your pile of Leaf mediocrity? I'd rather be faced with the dilemna of trying to keep together a young superstar team anyday....why cant you actually make reasonable points instead of bashing...The fact of the matter is Buffalo will have to let go of one or two of their top players next year... Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted March 23, 2007 Author Share Posted March 23, 2007 why cant you actually make reasonable points instead of bashing...The fact of the matter is Buffalo will have to let go of one or two of their top players next year...Yes, and they have someone like Stafford to step right into the open spot. Who are the Leafs grooming to take over for Sundin?You are completely oblivious and trying to have an intelligent discussion with you is impossible. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 Yes, and they have someone like Stafford to step right into the open spot. Who are the Leafs grooming to take over for Sundin?You are completely oblivious and trying to have an intelligent discussion with you is impossible.I actually believe that Buffalo is a rarity when it comes to AHL talent....It wont work for most teams... Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted March 23, 2007 Author Share Posted March 23, 2007 I actually believe that Buffalo is a rarity when it comes to AHL talent....It wont work for most teams...It will work for the teams like Buffalo, Montreal, San Jose, etc...check out where they are on the list. Link to post Share on other sites
Kyle Wellwood 0 Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 It will work for the teams like Buffalo, Montreal, San Jose, etc...check out where they are on the list.People dont give us enough credit..Good young guys playing for the Marlies. Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafpoker 1,462 Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 I guessed SJ correctly, but then i recalled I too may have seen it on one of their telecasts. I was also watching tonights game at the time, so that helped.As Im watching, I really believe this team is my favourite for the Cup. I think they just have the kind of fwd lines the Canes had last year, but with more top end talent. And I have to believe Joe+Marleau will have a chip on their shoulder about past playoff disappointments. Im not a fan of goalie tandems, but theirs is sick.Yeah, I like them to hoist the Cup. Think I'll find the odds and lay some coin down.And what an impressive way to win if they do....15drafted players, wow. Link to post Share on other sites
Kyle Wellwood 0 Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 I guessed SJ correctly, but then i recalled I too may have seen it on one of their telecasts. I was also watching tonights game at the time, so that helped.As Im watching, I really believe this team is my favourite for the Cup. I think they just have the kind of fwd lines the Canes had last year, but with more top end talent. And I have to believe Joe+Marleau will have a chip on their shoulder about past playoff disappointments. Im not a fan of goalie tandems, but theirs is sick.Yeah, I like them to hoist the Cup. Think I'll find the odds and lay some coin down.And what an impressive way to win if they do....15drafted players, wow.but ironically their best player was not drafted by them... Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafpoker 1,462 Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 but ironically their best player was not drafted by them...I wont debate the best player=Thornton part for now, but I will say they acquired him due to their drafting as well. Sturm+Stuart original Sharks. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted March 23, 2007 Author Share Posted March 23, 2007 I just wanted to add that Buffalo also has guys like Afinogenov, Kotalik and Gaustad that they drafted but are not on the current roster due to injury. However, this likely wouldn't affect the total as guys like Paille, MacArthur and Stafford are on the current roster due to those injuries.I think MapleLeafsPoker touched upon the thing that Serge doesn't seem to comprehend. Drafting well and developing quality prospects gives a team great assets that can be used to add big pieces to the puzzle. No Thornton wasn't a Sharks draft pick, but as was pointed out Sturm and Stuart were and they were traded for Thornton. This is where the Leafs have gone wrong in the past...I don't feel they've developed many quality assets. Link to post Share on other sites
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