Your Perception Of Jews?

[BigDMcGee 3,355]

I'm just saying that 99.9% of the time that someone uses "jew" as a way to call someone cheap or frugal, it's meant as an insult. So it shouldn't surprise you that a jewish person would be offended by that.I'm not offended, and I don't think you're being an asshole or anything. I'm just trying to explain why if a jew is called cheap he/she would immediately take it as an insult.

When I use jew as an insult, I have it totally divorced from it's religious/ethnic/racial theme. To me, why I call someone " You jew" I Just mean they cheated me, or they are cheap, or they are lame. It has nothing at all to do with the religion.Does That argument remind anyone of anything?

[Footballguru 0]

When I use jew as an insult, I have it totally divorced from it's religious/ethnic/racial theme. To me, why I call someone " You jew" I Just mean they cheated me, or they are cheap, or they are lame. It has nothing at all to do with the religion.Does That argument remind anyone of anything?

that is an anti semitical statement in my humble op. at a poker table one time, no1 knows im jewish obv...the dealer forgto to give a guy 3$ change from his SB and he says "goddamn dealer tryin' to jew me" i didnt say anything but i wanted to jump across the table and punch him int he face.

[digitalmonkey 929]

that is an anti semitical statement in my humble op. at a poker table one time, no1 knows im jewish obv...the dealer forgto to give a guy 3$ change from his SB and he says "goddamn dealer tryin' to jew me" i didnt say anything but i wanted to jump across the table and punch him int he face.

...but you took all his money instead?

[speedz99 145]

...but you took all his money instead?

Oh, the irony.

[BigDMcGee 3,355]

that is an anti semitical statement in my humble op. at a poker table one time, no1 knows im jewish obv...the dealer forgto to give a guy 3$ change from his SB and he says "goddamn dealer tryin' to jew me" i didnt say anything but i wanted to jump across the table and punch him int he face.

yeah, I know it is.. but it's the same argument people use all the time to justify using "gay"

[Footballguru 0]

yeah, I know it is.. but it's the same argument people use all the time to justify using "gay"

true...but it is more socially acceptable to use gay than jewed.

[BigDMcGee 3,355]

true...but it is more socially acceptable to use gay than jewed.

Why, though, is my point. Why is it " socially" acceptable to use gay as a pejorative but not jew? Is it because hating gays and homosexuality is socially acceptable but hating jews isn't? Perhaps it's because you're jewish and the issue is more salient to you, but you're not gay, so you don't care so much. And I assure you, in Nebraska, the use of jew and the use of gay as a pejorative is almost the same ( gay being used more, but not a whole ton more). Just some food for thought. When people have argued in favor of using "gay" or "fag" because it some how has no "homosexual" meaning the way they use it, I always thought it was very comparable to the pejorative use of jew, and no more acceptable.

[SuitedAces21 2,723]

I went to an elementay and middle school that was almost 100% Jewish. I never really even thought about it until I moved in 8th grade to a school with maybe 2 Jews. I'll never forget my first day at the new school. At lunch this kid asked the one kid I knew at the school for some fries or something and my friend told him no way, and this other guy says, "You FUCKIN JEW!" I told that guy to shut the fuck up, cause that shit aint right. I didnt have many friends at that school. Its just amazing how people hate Jews for no reason. I'll never understand it.

[brvheart 1,759]

I went to an elementay and middle school that was almost 100% Jewish. I never really even thought about it until I moved in 8th grade to a school with maybe 2 Jews. I'll never forget my first day at the new school. At lunch this kid asked the one kid I knew at the school for some fries or something and my friend told him no way, and this other guy says, "You FUCKIN JEW!" I told that guy to shut the fuck up, cause that shit aint right. I didnt have many friends at that school. Its just amazing how people hate Jews for no reason. I'll never understand it.

Read the Bible and you will. The Bible, especially the OT, prophesies that Israel will be kicked around like a red headed step child until the end of time.

[BigDMcGee 3,355]

Read the Bible and you will. The Bible, especially the OT, prophesies that Israel will be kicked around like a red headed step child until the end of time.

oh, the bible says so.. it all makes sense now.

[Balloon guy 158]

I decorate parties for a living, so I do an occasional Bar and Bat Mitzvah so I get to deal with Jewish mothers trying to one up each other with a party for their adorable child.They are not a good representation of the whole culture to be sure at this time of their life.The most 'Jewish' guy I ever met as in acted sterotypical etc was a Jews for Jesus leader. Nicest guy in the world, always appologizing etc.Favorite Jewish joke:Mother buys her son two shirts for his birthday, he goes upstairs and puts one on and comes down to show her. She says: "What? You didn't like the other one?"One of my favorite radio personalities is Bill Handle in Los Angelas, funny guy that really uses his religion as a springboard for great one liners.Israel's army is one of the best in the world, the obvious involvement of God in the 6 Day and Yom Kippur War are amazing, their's is a blessed nation. It is my goal to visit Jerusalem at least once in my life.The Mossad is one of the best as well.Other than that I know some good jews, some bad ones, and some okay ones. I liked the explanation by Barry Farber about why Jewish families value education so much, after centuries of being thrown out of countries, not allowed to own land etc, education was the only thing no one could take from them and they could always take with them. Since Christians couldn't charge usury to another Christian, Jews filled the banker role, which caused them to become wealthy and hated in many Christian countries, which resulted in Christian's atrocities against Jews. Not so much religion, but religion played a part.But Jewish children...the worst. just my experience. Until they turn 13 they are monsters. Go to a hotel where they are celebrating Passover as a group, they Kosher the hotel, and the kids run wild. write on the walls, trash everywhere, throw food. It's mayhem.That's my perception of Jews.

[chrisuk_sw 0]

The area in the UK where I live has a majority Jewish population, and the local casino where I play at has a large number of Jewish players about whom I have absolutely nothing bad to say. I have never had any bad experiences with the Jewish people in my area with only a few superior and exclusivist ultra-orthodox exceptions, but that is true with extremists of any belief.However, this does not extend to my perception of the State of Israel. What has happened there since 1948 is a blight to humanity, and the USA must share the blame for the atrocities, war crimes and injustice that continue to occur there.

[BigDMcGee 3,355]

I decorate parties for a living, so I do an occasional Bar and Bat Mitzvah so I get to deal with Jewish mothers trying to one up each other with a party for their adorable child.They are not a good representation of the whole culture to be sure at this time of their life.The most 'Jewish' guy I ever met as in acted sterotypical etc was a Jews for Jesus leader. Nicest guy in the world, always appologizing etc.Favorite Jewish joke:Mother buys her son two shirts for his birthday, he goes upstairs and puts one on and comes down to show her. She says: "What? You didn't like the other one?"One of my favorite radio personalities is Bill Handle in Los Angelas, funny guy that really uses his religion as a springboard for great one liners.Israel's army is one of the best in the world, the obvious involvement of God in the 6 Day and Yom Kippur War are amazing, their's is a blessed nation. It is my goal to visit Jerusalem at least once in my life.The Mossad is one of the best as well.Other than that I know some good jews, some bad ones, and some okay ones. I liked the explanation by Barry Farber about why Jewish families value education so much, after centuries of being thrown out of countries, not allowed to own land etc, education was the only thing no one could take from them and they could always take with them. Since Christians couldn't charge usury to another Christian, Jews filled the banker role, which caused them to become wealthy and hated in many Christian countries, which resulted in Christian's atrocities against Jews. Not so much religion, but religion played a part.But Jewish children...the worst. just my experience. Until they turn 13 they are monsters. Go to a hotel where they are celebrating Passover as a group, they Kosher the hotel, and the kids run wild. write on the walls, trash everywhere, throw food. It's mayhem.That's my perception of Jews.

So your balloon guy moniker isn't a joke? Learn something new every day.The obvious intervention of god, or perhaps their vast technological superiority, one or the other.

[Balloon guy 158]

Learn something new every day.The obvious intervention of god, or perhaps their vast technological superiority, one or the other.

Here's something else new to learn:

On the Golan Heights, approximately 180 Israeli tanks faced an onslaught of 1,400 Syrian tanks. Along the Suez Canal, fewer than 500 Israeli defenders were attacked by 80,000 Egyptians.

1Chaim Herzog, The Arab-Israeli Wars, (NY: Random House, 1984), p. 230.Sure the Arabs suck at war, but if you can win with these odds, then you have more than luck on your side.

[litlebullet 0]

First to judge the Jews I would need to know more about them. First question I'd like to ask, what is the difference between a Jew and a Jehovah's witness? Never understood the big difference.

[Balloon guy 158]

First to judge the Jews I would need to know more about them. First question I'd like to ask, what is the difference between a Jew and a Jehovah's witness? Never understood the big difference.

Jews = God's Chosen peopleJW = notThere are other things, but that's the main one

[rgold79 0]

First to judge the Jews I would need to know more about them. First question I'd like to ask, what is the difference between a Jew and a Jehovah's witness? Never understood the big difference.

Pardon me for asking, but are you serious? How did you get this perception?

[CaneBrain 95]

Which jews are the 10 percent?

the ones that are bad people. I think roughly 10% of people are bad and the rest are varying degrees of good. maybe I am wildly optimistic. whatever.

[myenemy 0]

At the risk of BigDMcGee giving me sh*t: Another perception of Jews is that the reason they are generally more successful in business ventures and the like, are because Jews only do business with other Jews. A Jew manufacturer or business person will get supplies, materials, and employees from other Jews only, but take the business/money from anyone. Hence their community is a black hole of money, once its in the community it doesnt leave. Jews are easily the most "racially selective" people around only they aren't so publicly, but in their actions. Note, I dont really have a problem with that in theory, some other cultures would do well to follow their lead, but it is simply a fact. And yet another reason why the term "Jew" is often cast in a pejorative light. Incidentally would anyone be offended if you called them "a f*cking Catholic" or "a f*cking American" or "a f*cking white guy"? Not so much. But "a f*cking Jew"????

[rgold79 0]

At the risk of BigDMcGee giving me sh*t: Another perception of Jews is that the reason they are generally more successful in business ventures and the like, are because Jews only do business with other Jews. A Jew manufacturer or business person will get supplies, materials, and employees from other Jews only, but take the business/money from anyone. Hence their community is a black hole of money, once its in the community it doesnt leave. Jews are easily the most "racially selective" people around only they aren't so publicly, but in their actions. Note, I dont really have a problem with that in theory, some other cultures would do well to follow their lead, but it is simply a fact. And yet another reason why the term "Jew" is often cast in a pejorative light. Incidentally would anyone be offended if you called them "a f*cking Catholic" or "a f*cking American" or "a f*cking white guy"? Not so much. But "a f*cking Jew"????

I'll give you a little shit for this. First of all, if you want I can provide you with a list of how many CEO's of major public corporations in America are headed by Jews. Do these people only do business with other Jews? Probably not, else they wouldn't be major corporations. It is poor business in America for Jews to only want to do or give business with other Jews. This holds true whether you run Goldman Sachs or Moishe's Jewelry in the Diamond District. But I think, maybe, based on your previous posts, that you're referring to the Orthodox small businessmen in New York, where we both live. The Orthodox are part of a small ethnic community, and like many insulated communities they frequently prefer to do business with one another over dealing with the "mainstream" or another communities. There are dozens of neighborhoods in the outer boroughs I could point you to that operate the same way.Using "Jew" is a pejorative when you use it in the context of "a Jew manufacturer." Manufacturers, if they are, are "Jewish", because that's the adjective form. Jew- anything is inherently pejorative in nature.Jews are not "racially" selective, because Judaism is not a "race". It's a religion, or, if you want, an ethinicity. To your point that even though they are the most "racially selective" people around, you don't have a problem with it, I would say that it sure seems like you do, based on the tenor of your post. Again, all minorities hew close to one another as a means of preserving community ties. I don't find anything hypocritical about choosing to do so, and it's certainly not the norm among mainstream, secular Jews.As far as being offended by being called a "fucking anything" that depends entirely on context. If you say "F-ing Catholics are the worst, why don't we bomb their churchs?" they might be offended (I guess you'd have to ask them). But Catholics are the largest Christian denomination in America, Whites are the majority ethnicity in America, and we're all Americans. Jews are a small minority. Do you see the difference?I get how living in New York it can seem like the city is overwhelmed by its Jewish population. There are a lot of Jews here and Jewish culture has bled deeply into the fabric of New York (and now we even have a Jewish mayor and governor). But anyone who has lived in the city for any appreciable period of time also realizes that the different groups that live in the city all interact with one another and all play a part in the city's uniqueness. I don't think your post was hateful or meant with malicious intent, I just think it was stupid and uninformed.EDIT: Thanks to Michael Ray Richardson, for backing me up.http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2816356

[BigDMcGee 3,355]

Here's something else new to learn:1Chaim Herzog, The Arab-Israeli Wars, (NY: Random House, 1984), p. 230.Sure the Arabs suck at war, but if you can win with these odds, then you have more than luck on your side.

I believe you are referring to the yom kippur war, which was a sneak attack by the arabs on the isreali's. Those are the totals of troops at the begging of the fight, yes.. and the fact they held off until re-enforcments arrived is remarkable. But the entirety of the battles were not fought with those numbers. There are reasons israel has repeatedly kicked the arab world's *** that are beyond "divine intervention". Such as technological superiority, tactical superiority, air superiority.

[Balloon guy 158]

I believe you are referring to the yom kippur war, which was a sneak attack by the arabs on the isreali's. Those are the totals of troops at the begging of the fight, yes.. and the fact they held off until re-enforcments arrived is remarkable. But the entirety of the battles were not fought with those numbers. There are reasons israel has repeatedly kicked the arab world's *** that are beyond "divine intervention". Such as technological superiority, tactical superiority, air superiority.

I would argue that the convient mistakes of the Arabs, such as reaching their goals 36 hours ahead of schedual and not knowing what else to do so they just sat around and waited, which allowed the Israelis to mobelize etc. was divinely caused. But I can understand why you can point to other reasons.Their weapons were nearly non existant when they first became a nation. Now they are far more advanced, but this is only the last few decades, before that the Russians kept the Arabs in decent equipment, and they surrounded and outnumbered them. Their existance is a miracle, pointed to by the Bible 2000+ years ago. Not alot of other nations from that time frame exist anymore. And none that had no home land for almost 2000 years.They are God's Chosen.But they suck at basketball and frisbee golf, that's a fact

[Balloon guy 158]

At the risk of BigDMcGee giving me sh*t: Another perception of Jews is that the reason they are generally more successful in business ventures and the like, are because Jews only do business with other Jews. A Jew manufacturer or business person will get supplies, materials, and employees from other Jews only, but take the business/money from anyone. Hence their community is a black hole of money, once its in the community it doesnt leave. Jews are easily the most "racially selective" people around only they aren't so publicly, but in their actions.

I notice that Christians prefer to do business with Christians, Gays prefer to do business with gays, women prefer to do business with women, and blacks prefer to do business with blacks. Only the Scots prefer not to do business with their own kind, but's thats another story ( hint they are cheap )They are actually equally successful in business ventures as anyone else that works hard and puts effort into it.

[SuitedAces21 2,723]

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[BigDMcGee 3,355]

I would argue that the convient mistakes of the Arabs, such as reaching their goals 36 hours ahead of schedual and not knowing what else to do so they just sat around and waited, which allowed the Israelis to mobelize etc. was divinely caused. But I can understand why you can point to other reasons.Their weapons were nearly non existant when they first became a nation. Now they are far more advanced, but this is only the last few decades, before that the Russians kept the Arabs in decent equipment, and they surrounded and outnumbered them. Their existance is a miracle, pointed to by the Bible 2000+ years ago. Not alot of other nations from that time frame exist anymore. And none that had no home land for almost 2000 years.They are God's Chosen.But they suck at basketball and frisbee golf, that's a fact

I think you've been reading too many left behind books. The Yom Kippur and the 6 day occurred in the late sixties and early seventies. Their nuclear program was in it's advanced stages, if not fully operational ( though no one is precisely sure when they finished the bomb). This smacks of severe technological advantage. Your theory of israeli weapons being "nearly non existent" when these conflicts occured is patently absurd. While their arab neighbors (particularly egypt) did have soviet support, the support was nothing like the support of the west for israel. The arab armies were poorly trained, poorly co-ordinated and were at a technological disadvantage. They did have a numerical advantage, but that only counts for so much in modern war fare. Israel controlled the skies in both of these conflicts, and from what I understand of the battle, it was because superior israeli pilots flying superior aircraft shot down arab planes. I haven't heard any reports of pillars of fire knocking the arab planes out of the sky. I think you do a disservice to the incredible israeli armed forces by painting their victorys as acts of god.