linkwood 0 Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 .25/.50 blinds. 8 handed home game. Stack sizes: Hero (button) - ~80Villian 1 (UTG +1) - ~45Villian 2 (MP)- ~70Hero dealt 9c9dPreflopVillian 1 limps, Villian 2 limps, 2 folds, Hero raises to 3, blinds fold. Villian 1 calls, Villian 2 calls.Flop 10h 8d 6d (pot 9.75)Villian 1 bets 10, Villian 2 calls, Hero callsTurn 4h (pot 39.75)Villian 1 goes all in for 31.75, Villian 2 folds, Hero???Reads:Hero (my friend): has an aggressive, somewhat tricky table image. Sometimes he'll make weird plays with marginal hands (eg over-calling off his whole stack with kj off on a king high board), but he's smart.Villian 1 (my wife): solid TAG player. her results in the couple home games we've had haven't reflected her skill, so she's perceived as weaker than she is. Wouldn't limp call with big pair. Hero doesn't believe she would limp call with one gappers (ie 97). She is known to play tricky and make bluffs and semi-bluffsVillian 2 (my friends brother): tricky, somewhat LAG player. definitely a big winner in our game, but still makes some silly moves. Previously got it all in preflop against villian 1 with his kq off against her qq, spiked a k to double up. Also previously called my UTG raise with Js6s in MP (i had 6c3c, but that was irrelevant). He would probably flat call with one pair, mediocre kicker, but definitely plays his strong hands very aggressively after the flop. the question is: can you EVER make this call? Link to post Share on other sites
pokerguy33 0 Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 I think this is an easy fold. You have a gutshot, and a 99 on a 10 high board. If you think your up against KQ or somthing like that, then your a 4:1 favorite going to the river, and its an easy call. I think you have 6 outs or less to win this hand, and there are a number of hands that have you beat. Unless I have a really really good read then this is a fold. Link to post Share on other sites
bdc30 0 Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 Unless the other guy accidentally exposes his cards and shows a bluff then this is a fold.fyp Link to post Share on other sites
trystero 0 Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 Fold the flop. I'm going to guess though that you called and she turned over the diamond draw. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 Hero (my friend): has an aggressive, somewhat tricky table image. Sometimes he'll make weird plays with marginal hands (eg over-calling off his whole stack with kj off on a king high board), but he's smart.If you overcall your whole stack on a K high board with KJ, you might be smart, but it's unlikely that you're too good at poker.As for the hand, what can you possibly put her on that she'd play this way? I can't think of anything that I'm beating so I'm going to fold. Link to post Share on other sites
Jordan 1 Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 If you overcall your whole stack on a K high board with KJ, you might be smart, but it's unlikely that you're too good at poker.As for the hand, what can you possibly put her on that she'd play this way? I can't think of anything that I'm beating so I'm going to fold.Qd Jd!- Jordan Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 Qd JdMy God! You're right!CALL CALL CALL CALL CALL CALL!!!! Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 Villian 2 (my friends brother): tricky, somewhat LAG player. definitely a big winner in our game, but still makes some silly moves. Previously got it all in preflop against villian 1 with his kq off against her qq, spiked a k to double up. Also previously called my UTG raise with Js6s in MP (i had 6c3c, but that was irrelevant). He would probably flat call with one pair, mediocre kicker, but definitely plays his strong hands very aggressively after the flop.he sounds a lot like me.yeah easyfold Link to post Share on other sites
linkwood 0 Posted March 19, 2007 Author Share Posted March 19, 2007 Qd Jd!- Jordanwow, close. so my friend makes the call and tables the 99. i puke all over the floor. my wife tables 5d4d. misses everything and my friend scoops the pot, thinking what a genius he was (he reminds me of the jj lui post Acid Knight posted earlier). i could not believe that he could make that call. my wife leading into two people, pot sized, into the preflop raiser, she's got AT LEAST a huge draw, if not a set or two pair. i never see her putting all her chips into the pot without a great made hand or at least 12 outs. oh well. as an aside, any thoughts on how mrs villian 1 played the hand? personally i thought she played it very aggressively, which may not be what i would have done, but i don't see much wrong with it. leading into two people with just a draw was a little risky, but with the looseness of both players i don't mind it. i think going for a check raise may have been a slightly better play. any other thoughts? Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 Good result or not, it's horrible to call with 99 there. The 57 draw got there. There's a 468T combo on the board where there are dozens of 2 pair and straight possibilities as well as a flush draw. You can't beat top pair, so you can't call. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 the question is: can you EVER make this call?No. Better spots are coming. Not every hand is a winner. Link to post Share on other sites
linkwood 0 Posted March 19, 2007 Author Share Posted March 19, 2007 Good result or not, it's horrible to call with 99 there. The 57 draw got there. There's a 468T combo on the board where there are dozens of 2 pair and straight possibilities as well as a flush draw. You can't beat top pair, so you can't call.Seriously! After cleaning up the puke on my carpet, i asked how he could make the call. he said that he didn't put her on an overpair or 9-7, so he thought he had it. he gave me one of those "i was right so obviously i made the correct play". i wanted to ask if those were the only two hands he thought of but then i puked on my carpet again. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 AA, KK, QQ, JJ, TT, 88, 66, 44, AT, KT, QT, JT, T9, T8, T7, T7, T5, T4, T3, T2, 86, 84, 64, 57, 79Yeah, there are a few hands that beat pocket 9s here. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 AA, KK, QQ, JJ, TT, 88, 66, 44, AT, KT, QT, JT, T9, T8, T7, T7, T5, T4, T3, T2, 86, 84, 64, 57, 79Yeah, there are a few hands that beat pocket 9s here.Yeah, but you can eliminate most of that **** as unplayable. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 Yeah, but you can eliminate most of that **** as unplayable.Yeah, but there aren't many hands to put the villain on that you can beat. Link to post Share on other sites
linkwood 0 Posted March 19, 2007 Author Share Posted March 19, 2007 Yeah, but there aren't many hands to put the villain on that you can beat.Yeah, she led into two people, one of them the preflop raiser, for a pot sized bet and an all in. She's either a lunatic or she's not doing that with air. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 Yeah, but you can eliminate most of that **** as unplayable.I was kidding. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 I was kidding.I know. I was just pointing out that even the garbage hands are ones that beat the Hero's measly holding. Link to post Share on other sites
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