Big Slick

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

Live Casino Game $1/2 $100 Max TxHEI have been playing for about an hour at this point. Very poor cards (and my play) have established me as TAG. I am sitting behind about $150. Table is playing pretty tight. From Middle Position I pick up One or two call the Blinds and I raise to $10Two callers.Flop comes UTG bets out $10 (his stack is about $200)I have what I feel is a very strong read on him and I put him on a flush draw - perhaps with top pair. He has been chasing flush draws pretty consistentlyI raise to $25 and UTG callsTurn is UTG Fires out $25Hero?

[Smank 0]

The pot is already at least $40 on the flop after UTG's raise, so if he IS drawing to the flush (whcih is what you put him on) he's getting the odds to call. I'd prefer a raise to about $40. Other than that, it seems pretty standard. As played I'd raise about 3/4 of the pot on the turn.

[David_Nicoson 1]

Push the turn as played.I'd raise more on the flop. It's hard for the villain not to like this board.

[bdc30 0]

Holy weak raise on the flop. Raise the donk-bet to at LEAST $40-50, when he donk bets at you on the turn PUSH. You're letting him try to catch up cheap.

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

Yeah. My thinking on the Flop raise was that given my tight play and preflop raise, it would be pretty easy to put me on the nuts, I wanted to mix it up a little and it seemed like a good time to do so, even if it mean taking the risk of seeing another Diamond.I pushed on the Turn.The Villan went into the tank for a bit before mucking. As he mucked his cards he said somewhat derrisively: "Nice bet."Just to get into his head a little I showed the nuts.He proceded to berrate me for pushing. "You want me to make that call.... you bet $25 and I'll call... what a horrible bet... yadda... yadda... yadda..."I just laughed because I figured that the Push was the +ev play. Sure, he'll call $25... but if he'll call $100 even 1/4 of the time I'm really making out in the long run! And he will call that bet 1/4 of the time. He desperately wanted to call me and very nearly did call...and I was in his head for the remainder of the night, he really wanted a piece of me after that.

[pokerguy33 0]

Bet more on the flop, and push the turn. Sounds pretty repetitive doesn't it? Pretty standard play, or you could try to string him along but I wouldn't recommend it say you just flat call the turn, or min raise to slow play what are you going to do if a Diamond hits the river? So I just push it in on the turn.

[aucu 3]

Pot is $105, I'd bet that much he won't have the odds to call but just might, and the rest goes in on the river.

[psujohn 0]

Pot is $105, I'd bet that much he won't have the odds to call but just might, and the rest goes in on the river.

Lol. Check the starting stack sizes. Hero starts with 150. He's put 35 in. You want him to pot here and put "the rest" in on the river?

[aucu 3]

Lol. Check the starting stack sizes. Hero starts with 150. He's put 35 in. You want him to pot here and put "the rest" in on the river?

OppsWell you want to bet enough to get him pot comitted and not scare him off.

[NoBBiR 0]

Wrong, you don't want him pot committed to a draw. You want to extract as much as you can from him like would be done with a jam on the turn without him staying in to catch his draw and take your stake. Too many people don't take draws seriously. Do you really want him calling a bet of like 75 here with a diamond draw and then you having to painfully jam the remainder of your stack in when you know your beat? I certainly wouldn't. I easily jam this turn bet. You certainly don't want to value bet him and let him suck out and make you cry.

[Acid_Knight 2]

Wrong, you don't want him pot committed to a draw. You want to extract as much as you can from him like would be done with a jam on the turn without him staying in to catch his draw and take your stake. Too many people don't take draws seriously. Do you really want him calling a bet of like 75 here with a diamond draw and then you having to painfully jam the remainder of your stack in when you know your beat? I certainly wouldn't. I easily jam this turn bet. You certainly don't want to value bet him and let him suck out and make you cry.

Poker is about causing bad players make mistakes. If he pushes here everytime and the villain folds every time, the hero has not allowed the villain to make as big of a mistake as he can make. The villain is roughly a 4-1 dog to hit his flush on the river. If you make a raise that offers him 3-1 odds, then he is making a mistake when he calls it. So, yes, I would like the villain calling with incorrect pot odds to draw to a flush becuase in the long run, it's going to make me money. Yes, I may lose this hand, but over time I will win more money because of it.As played, push the turn due to the stack sizes. He could have a hand like Kx of diamonds and think that he has more outs than he does and will be more likely to call the push.

[Acid_Knight 2]

The Villan went into the tank for a bit before mucking. As he mucked his cards he said somewhat derrisively: "Nice bet."Just to get into his head a little I showed the nuts.

Villain folds. Hero turns over cards as if to say "you made an excellent play by folding becuase I had the nuts."Don't show your hand here. How are you getting into his head? He thinks that you might not have had a super strong hand so you're like "nope, see, I had the nuts!" I don't know how you could ever get into soemone's head by reinforcing that they made a good play.

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

Villain folds. Hero turns over cards as if to say "you made an excellent play by folding becuase I had the nuts."Don't show your hand here. How are you getting into his head? He thinks that you might not have had a super strong hand so you're like "nope, see, I had the nuts!" I don't know how you could ever get into soemone's head by reinforcing that they made a good play.

He was so sure he had me read as Bluffing with the Push. He was treating me like sort of a punk. It was almost instinctive for me to show the nuts just to prove him wrong. It really messed with him even more to see my hand. It was almost as if I had insulted him by pushing with the nuts. Add to that he couldn't understand why I'd rather push and have a chance that he'd fold, rather than fire out $25 that he'd be more likely to call. He even made a condescending comment about him not wanting to give me lessons at the table, but I "really should have just raised $25..." When it finally dawned on him that I knew that he had wanted to make the call of my push (and the he very nearly did), I think it established me as being a step ahead of him and he seemed intimidated. Like I said, I didn't go thru all of that when I showed the nuts, it was just part of my read on the guy - "instinct" for lack of a better word.

[Acid_Knight 2]

At the table, all I want to do is see people's hands to confirm whether my thinking was correct or not. At the end of big hands, whether I was involved or not, I often yell out "show a bluff, it's good for the game" or "show me a wheel card and I'll give you $5." People are more eager to prove you wrong than they are to protect information and they often show their hand as if to say "man you suck at reading hands, I wans't bluffing, I had the nuts" when all I wanted to do was make a comment that would cause them to show me their hand.The cards that you play should be expensive information for someone else ot buy. If he thought you were bluffing and you had the nuts, there is NO REASON to set him straight. Now, the next time he thinks you're bluffing, he might reevaluate becuase of the information that you gave him and make a better decision. Helping opponents play better against you is not something that's good for business.

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

At the table, all I want to do is see people's hands to confirm whether my thinking was correct or not. At the end of big hands, whether I was involved or not, I often yell out "show a bluff, it's good for the game" or "show me a wheel card and I'll give you $5." People are more eager to prove you wrong than they are to protect information and they often show their hand as if to say "man you suck at reading hands, I wans't bluffing, I had the nuts" when all I wanted to do was make a comment that would cause them to show me their hand.The cards that you play should be expensive information for someone else ot buy. If he thought you were bluffing and you had the nuts, there is NO REASON to set him straight. Now, the next time he thinks you're bluffing, he might reevaluate becuase of the information that you gave him and make a better decision. Helping opponents play better against you is not something that's good for business.

There are no absloutes. Ever. (That's a joke , son)...while I agree with you to a point, I think there are plenty of cases where showing something other than a bluff is "profitable"

[NoBBiR 0]

Poker is about causing bad players make mistakes. If he pushes here everytime and the villain folds every time, the hero has not allowed the villain to make as big of a mistake as he can make. The villain is roughly a 4-1 dog to hit his flush on the river. If you make a raise that offers him 3-1 odds, then he is making a mistake when he calls it. So, yes, I would like the villain calling with incorrect pot odds to draw to a flush becuase in the long run, it's going to make me money. Yes, I may lose this hand, but over time I will win more money because of it.As played, push the turn due to the stack sizes. He could have a hand like Kx of diamonds and think that he has more outs than he does and will be more likely to call the push.

This is what I mean though. If you offer him incorrect odds, and he calls anyway, you're pot committed if he hits his flush and have to put the rest of your money in even though you know you're beat. I'm all for making money in the long run, but I'm not about putting in money when I know I've lost. Betting anything but all-in here doesn't make sense. Plus if he has said SF draw, hes probably calling while hes way behind.

[GABMAD 0]

Live Casino Game $1/2 $100 Max TxHEI have been playing for about an hour at this point. Very poor cards (and my play) have established me as TAG. I am sitting behind about $150. Table is playing pretty tight. From Middle Position I pick up One or two call the Blinds and I raise to $10Two callers.Flop comes UTG bets out $10 (his stack is about $200)I have what I feel is a very strong read on him and I put him on a flush draw - perhaps with top pair. He has been chasing flush draws pretty consistentlyI raise to $25 and UTG callsTurn is UTG Fires out $25Hero?

Umm...if he chases flush draws for bad odds, why are you giving him good odds? You have the nuts. Raise to 35 on the flop if you put him on a flush draw. As played, raise the turn to 75-95. If he wants to chase, let him do it with bad odds. If you think he has top pair and flush draw, it's even a better idea to raise huge. I don't like your play here.

[Acid_Knight 2]

This is what I mean though. If you offer him incorrect odds, and he calls anyway, you're pot committed if he hits his flush and have to put the rest of your money in even though you know you're beat. I'm all for making money in the long run, but I'm not about putting in money when I know I've lost. Betting anything but all-in here doesn't make sense. Plus if he has said SF draw, hes probably calling while hes way behind.

You want him putting in chips as a 4-1 underdog when you've given him 2-1 odds. Yes, sometimes you pay off an insignificant amount of money on the river, after he made a BAD call on the turn, but 4 out of 5 times you win a bigger pot because of the mistake your opponent made.