In Position Against The Big Boys

[ramenandeggs 0]

Full Tilt PokerNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $50/$1009 playersConverterSeat 1: SB (13,150)Seat 2: BB (2,120), is sitting outSeat 3: UTG (2,215)Seat 4: UTG+ 1 (10,072)Seat 5: MP1 (1,020), is sitting outSeat 6: MP2 (5,243)Seat 7: MP3 (2,665)Seat 8: Hero (4,570)Seat 9: Button (1,330)Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is CO with K♠ J♣UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, Hero calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB checks.Flop: 8♠ Q♣ J♠ ($500, 5 players)SB bets $400, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, MP2 folds, Hero calls.Betting against that many players, I knew SB must've had me beat but it looked to me like I had a couple of redraws. He hasn't been much of a voice at the table so I'm only to assume this is a straight forward player until given further info, but that also means I can't cross out a semi bluff at a spade flush. utg + 1 is loose aggressive but has only showed down winning hands (not necessarily strong hands, i.e. got 9 K stacked on a king high flop by the krablar. also, earlier on made a 210 bet preflop at the 30/60 level with A Q, got raised all in for 2/3 of his stack and raiser showed A9. some lucky spots but they were correct decisions and has tightened up most of the middle stacks). Turn: 7♠ ($1700, 3 players)SB bets $700, UTG+1 calls, Hero?It's certain now that if I get any more money in this street, I'm going to be doing it with the weaker hand, but now I picked up my backdoor and have the 2nd nut flush draw + a pair. With 3100 in the pot and a remaining stack of 4070, I wanted to push and hopefully take the pot down with 3 spades showing. I figured i had 2 jacks + 3 kings + 8 spades = 13 outs if I get called by a bare queen and still had 7 spades against a non nut flush. The problem is there's no fold equity against a smaller flush and there's only one card to come. If I fold or peel a river here, I've lost 1/4 of my stack and the next couple of levels are when the fast action starts up again. I'm barely in the green and figured I should take this risk to stay inside it since I like having blinds to fold being a fairly tight player for the most part. Thoughts?

[gobears 0]

I fold the flop - you have 2nd pair on a very coordinated board with two other players in. Maybe if one other player was in, I would think about seeing another card.As played, I fold the turn. The A of spades could be out there which kills your outs and neither player is backing down. You could be drawing almost dead at this point also (another player could have KQ or AsJ). It's likely that one of the two players has you in very bad shape.

[pokerguy33 0]

You have a gutshot, one pair, and a backdoor flush draw: I would have folded the flop, like stated above how the hand played out, I would have folded the turn.

[Zach6668 513]

You have a gutshot, one pair, and a backdoor flush draw: I would have folded the flop, like stated above how the hand played out, I would have folded the turn.

I don't see a gutshot...

[copernicus 0]

Raise or fold pre-flop. Calling here is very likely a waste of chips, because button should be pushing with some very marginal holdings, and with a limp UTG is more likely the call that push, and you probably cant at that point. I also fold the flop reluctantly, and with some preflop strength shown that might not be an issue, wth anyone left checking to the lead.

[shpaget 0]

Against two players you are likely down to two or three outs.

[pokerfan1080 0]

I really don't like playing KJos. But, in late position, I guess it's ok, but I think I would raise preflop rather than calling.As played, I fold or raise the flop. If I'm called by my raise I shut it down after that, and definitely fold to a re-raise.