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Also, if you think the US had nothing to do with the 2002 coup attempt, provided no illicit support for it, then you're either very naive about US foreign policy, or you are retarded.
How's the view from the Ultra Left?
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Or if he hasn't done something overt, we can just make something up. posts like this literally sicken me. There is no absolutely no justification for a war against Venezuela. None. None what so ever, other than you don't like him and his politics.
True but there is a new cold war in Latin America and the USA is geting beat.Bush is the worst prez ever and well so is Chevez, we are screwed.
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Why do you Americans have to turn everything in a race issue?That comment asking if i came from an oil company was also ignorant since you have no real information about the situation here other than the one you read on wikipedia, although you are correct on some points, since most of the rich to medium class people either work on PDVSA or work at a oil products/services related company. Chavez has complete and absolute power of all the institutions and by laws he has aproved through a fraudelent voting system (same way he has gained the elections), he can basicly do whatever he want, he recently just took over the biggest telecommunications company in the country (CANTV) owned in its majorty by Verizon, and also took over the Electricity of Caracas the same way, just because he felt like it.Politics are BS specially on this country, for example in 2002 this high ranked military officer appeared on national TV announcing the presidents signed resignation, he later on took it all back and was then put on charge as Minister of Defense... Also the president of the CNE (Consejo Nacional Electoral) The National Electoral Council, who was running it while Chavez was being reelected, is now Vice President of the country, and thats just a couple of examples of the BS situation going on here, and its not that white rich elite minorty thats against Chavez, its the whole majorty, its everywhere you go, mostly anyone you meet or know is Anti-chavez, its the voting system thats fraudulent.To answer your question yes i do come from an oil family my mother worked for PDVSA for about 15-20 years and got fired by Chavez along with thousends more over the newspaper were a list was posted everyday with the names of the people being fired, because she was exerting her constitutional right to go on strike, my father also worked for pdvsa but resigned years before that to start his own company to sell products and services to PDVSA and other oil related business, he also had to pay some high profile people in PDVSA A LOT of money can't really say how much, so that he could get any deals with his company and PDVSA, since he was banned from them because he signed a national petition to do a revocatory vote against Chavez.

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That comment asking if i came from an oil company was also ignorant since you have no real information....To answer your question yes i do come from an oil family....
ROFLMAO In other words you are pissed cause he was right.PS. Quebec sucks. I am originally from Vermont and the only good thing I ever found about Quebec was the fact I could drink at 18 there.
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Why do you Americans have to turn everything in a race issue?That comment asking if i came from an oil company was also ignorant since you have no real information about the situation here other than the one you read on wikipedia, although you are correct on some points, since most of the rich to medium class people either work on PDVSA or work at a oil products/services related company. Chavez has complete and absolute power of all the institutions and by laws he has aproved through a fraudelent voting system (same way he has gained the elections), he can basicly do whatever he want, he recently just took over the biggest telecommunications company in the country (CANTV) owned in its majorty by Verizon, and also took over the Electricity of Caracas the same way, just because he felt like it.Politics are BS specially on this country, for example in 2002 this high ranked military officer appeared on national TV announcing the presidents signed resignation, he later on took it all back and was then put on charge as Minister of Defense... Also the president of the CNE (Consejo Nacional Electoral) The National Electoral Council, who was running it while Chavez was being reelected, is now Vice President of the country, and thats just a couple of examples of the BS situation going on here, and its not that white rich elite minorty thats against Chavez, its the whole majorty, its everywhere you go, mostly anyone you meet or know is Anti-chavez, its the voting system thats fraudulent.To answer your question yes i do come from an oil family my mother worked for PDVSA for about 15-20 years and got fired by Chavez along with thousends more over the newspaper were a list was posted everyday with the names of the people being fired, because she was exerting her constitutional right to go on strike, my father also worked for pdvsa but resigned years before that to start his own company to sell products and services to PDVSA and other oil related business, he also had to pay some high profile people in PDVSA A LOT of money can't really say how much, so that he could get any deals with his company and PDVSA, since he was banned from them because he signed a national petition to do a revocatory vote against Chavez.
Damn, it sucks to be right all the fcking time. I wasn't trying to offend you by my post by the way, and I perhaps shouldn't have been so flippant with my post to you, I apologize.It's situations like this that I am not an socialist/communist. Because aside from a few scandanavian countries it's only viable through intense executive power and at a cost to freedom. However, the situation in Venezuela is not one that calls for direct US intervention.
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How's the view from the Ultra Left?
Okay, brain master, try this on. The US hates Venezuela, it is costing many rich people in the country lots of money, and in general is a huge thorn in the US's homogenegogic goals. Going to war with them would be unpopular and expensive. Conversely, supporting a coup attempt by local anti-Chavez factions would be cheap, plausibly deniable, and achieve the same goals. So do they choose A or B? You support an invasion of Venezuela, but a coup makes much more sense, would be cheaper, would cost no US lives, and wouldn't destabilize the region. Use your brain once in a while. This isn't an "ultra-left" view, it's coming fuking sense. The us has shown no squeamishness in intervening illicitly in the past in central and south america, I don't know why this would be any different.
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ROFLMAO In other words you are pissed cause he was right.PS. Quebec sucks. I am originally from Vermont and the only good thing I ever found about Quebec was the fact I could drink at 18 there.
Hahahahaha. Vermont.
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It's for sure true that the 'Hate Bush' crowd has many interesting members, from genocidical dicatators, to communist puppets to power hungry politicians. Maybe there should be more effort putting the normal people to the frontlines and try to keep the wacos in the back.When Clinton was president and our side was the haters, we tried to keep the Mena Arkansaw people and the like restricted to the internet and the 12 midnight to 5: 00 radio channels. Worked too, we won the next two presidential elections AND got to fill some seats in the Supreme Court with some right minded judges this time.
so typical of these political threads...lumping everyone who thinks a certain way ABOUT ONE SUBJECT together, as if it's the only thing that would define a person.very shallow thinking. it makes it easier for u to believe in bush when u try to dismiss a MAJORITY opinion with labels like, 'bush haters'. pretty funny actually.
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Okay, brain master, try this on. The US hates Venezuela, it is costing many rich people in the country lots of money, and in general is a huge thorn in the US's homogenegogic goals. Going to war with them would be unpopular and expensive. Conversely, supporting a coup attempt by local anti-Chavez factions would be cheap, plausibly deniable, and achieve the same goals. So do they choose A or B? You support an invasion of Venezuela, but a coup makes much more sense, would be cheaper, would cost no US lives, and wouldn't destabilize the region. Use your brain once in a while. This isn't an "ultra-left" view, it's coming fuking sense. The us has shown no squeamishness in intervening illicitly in the past in central and south america, I don't know why this would be any different.
Sorry, but for you (or him for that matter) to make the FACTUAL sounding statement that WE tried to have him ASSASSINATED... I'm going to need a little more than Conspiracy Theory speculation based on High School level knowledge of Public Policy.Otherwise the Ultra Left Label sticks.
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Sorry, but for you (or him for that matter) to make the FACTUAL sounding statement that WE tried to have him ASSASSINATED... I'm going to need a little more than Conspiracy Theory speculation based on High School level knowledge of Public Policy.Otherwise the Ultra Left Label sticks.
So the 2002 coup didn't happen? I give a sht less what you label me, btw.
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Okay, brain master, try this on. The US hates Venezuela, it is costing many rich people in the country lots of money, and in general is a huge thorn in the US's homogenegogic goals. Going to war with them would be unpopular and expensive. Conversely, supporting a coup attempt by local anti-Chavez factions would be cheap, plausibly deniable, and achieve the same goals. So do they choose A or B? You support an invasion of Venezuela, but a coup makes much more sense, would be cheaper, would cost no US lives, and wouldn't destabilize the region. Use your brain once in a while. This isn't an "ultra-left" view, it's coming fuking sense. The us has shown no squeamishness in intervening illicitly in the past in central and south america, I don't know why this would be any different.
Typical leftist. I wont waste time looking but Im fairly sure that somewhere you've argued the opposite of the above bolded statement in regards to Iraq. "Its too expensive! Americans are being killed! Why are we still there if Saddam's dead?!" Blah blah blah. But now that the opposite fits your little "the whole world is a big right wing conspiracy" theory, it must follow that the gov't is going for the cheap, safe, and obvious method. Your type always want it everyway. (slight pun intended)
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So the 2002 coup didn't happen? I give a sht less what you label me, btw.
Yes, the Coup Happened... Sorry, but for you (or him for that matter) to make the FACTUAL sounding statement that WE tried to have him ASSASSINATED... I'm going to need a little more than Conspiracy Theory speculation based on High School level knowledge of Public Policy.
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Typical leftist. I wont waste time looking but Im fairly sure that somewhere you've argued the opposite of the above bolded statement in regards to Iraq. "Its too expensive! Americans are being killed! Why are we still there if Saddam's dead?!" Blah blah blah. But now that the opposite fits your little "the whole world is a big right wing conspiracy" theory, it must follow that the gov't is going for the cheap, safe, and obvious method. Your type always want it everyway. (slight pun intended)
LOL Your post doesn't make sense. I wasn't arguing in favor of a coup, just saying that it would be cheap, cost no us lives, and wouldn't destablize the region. I also think if the United States had tried to support a Coup in Iraq, it would have been cheaper, cost no US lives, and would have been less likely to destablize the region.I don't particularly care for either method of US foreign policy, but given a choice, I'd much prefer a behind the scenes orchestration type intervention than an expensive drawn out war.The problem with a coup is, w/r/t achieving US goals is that they are often unsuccessful (case in point, the Venezuelan coup). Not that direct intervention wars are more successful, but they do achieve goals like getting rid of a specific dictator.Do you really think the US is above orchestrating coups is central and south america? If not, then I encourage you to do some research on the issue. Perhaps you've heard of the "Monroe Doctrine" Perhaps not..
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Yes, the Coup Happened... Sorry, but for you (or him for that matter) to make the FACTUAL sounding statement that WE tried to have him ASSASSINATED... I'm going to need a little more than Conspiracy Theory speculation based on High School level knowledge of Public Policy.
As opposed to sophisticated knowledge of foreign policy illustrated by this..
Hey, the troops gotta go somewhere......and by then I am sure Chavez will have done something overt.
I'll be willing to wager that the US was behind the coup. wanna shut up and put your money where your mouth is?
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As opposed to sophisticated knowledge of foreign policy illustrated by this..I'll be willing to wager that the US was behind the coup. wanna shut up and put your money where your mouth is?
Lol......you must have been one of those guys in High School who always said: "Oh yeah? Wanna bet? Huh? Do ya? Wanna Bet?"Even on things that are clearly not able to be documented (somehow I think that if Chavez cannot prove that WE tried to assassinate him, then you surely cannot) and then acted like you "won" when your opponent refused to "bet"This really makes me laugh.
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Amazing how an innocent joke turned into such a retarded political debate so quickly.To add another rather superficial statement: I don't specially like Chavez, but he seems to be less of a dictator than many other lunatic politicians the US supported or even established in other american nations. And the whole US foreign policy concerning that region in the last 100 years was a complete fuck-up from start to finish - invading Venezuela because Chavez doesn't like Bush would be very consistent with that.

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Amazing how an innocent joke turned into such a retarded political debate so quickly.To add another rather superficial statement: I don't specially like Chavez, but he seems to be less of a dictator than many other lunatic politicians the US supported or even established in other american nations. And the whole US foreign policy concerning that region in the last 100 years was a complete fuck-up from start to finish - invading Venezuela because Chavez doesn't like Bush would be very consistent with that.
First of all why do some people immaturely insist on finding little work arounds to get profanity past the Forums filters? Not that I am a prude, but that is just childish. - sort of like overusing the word "retarded"....and news flash, I really did not think anybody would be simple minded enough to have turned my flippant comments about invading a Third World South American country into a long debate - I do think Chavez is a danger to the region and American interests, but I was just sort of having fun......for now.
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