Trip Queens With 3 Flush

[AKProdigy 0]

No reads, pretty much. Just wanted some opinion on whether this is a call or fold in a low buyin sit n go. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)SB (t1300)BB (t1430)UTG (t1595)UTG+1 (t740)MP1 (t3730)MP2 (t1530)CO (t1465)Hero (t1710)Preflop: Hero is Button with Q , Q . UTG calls t30, UTG+1 calls t30, 3 folds, Hero raises to t120, SB calls t105, 1 fold, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t90.Flop: (t420) 3 , 4 , Q (3 players)SB bets t1180 (All-In), UTG+1 calls t620 (All-In), Hero ??

[Zach6668 513]

420+620+1180 = 2220 total pot.1180 for us to call.~2-1 - I can't fold here.I'd kinda rather chip up here early than fold and go out later... just my opinion.I think you're ahead of the first guy too, btw. More likely to be behind the 2nd dude, but you can win the side to break evenish. And obv, we have 7 and then 10 outs on the turn and river.

[NEtwowilldo 0]

call, you got em both covered.

[Zach6668 513]

call, you got em both covered.

That's not a reason to call...

[ChrisRichey 1]

I agree with Zach that we're probably ahead of the first guy, but probably not the second. I think we have to call though, as just winning the sidepot would put us about even, and we still have outs if we're behind the second guy.

[AKProdigy 0]

Question: Do you take into consideration that anyone with a 4 flush has 9 and 9 outs? My thinking was that I'm likely beat by one hand, and that anyone who's behind is 2:1 to improve unless they had top pair/mid pp (quite likely)I folded btw, and after the hand came to the conclusion I played that way too passively and didn't take the side pot into consideration. Thanks for the replies.

[Zach6668 513]

Question: Do you take into consideration that anyone with a 4 flush has 9 and 9 outs? My thinking was that I'm likely beat by one hand, and that anyone who's behind is 2:1 to improve unless they had top pair/mid pp (quite likely)I folded btw, and after the hand came to the conclusion I played that way too passively and didn't take the side pot into consideration. Thanks for the replies.

I take everything into consideration.If we are behind, we also have 7 and 10 outs on the turn and river respectively to improve. So it works both ways, really.

[AKProdigy 0]

Agreed. Alrite thanks guys.

[NoBBiR 0]

As Zach said, because of the nearly 2:1 odds here and a hand where you cannot be dead, and at the worst have 7 and then 10 outs, you're almost obligated to call them both. You can almost instantly put the pusher on the Ace of clubs and the other guy on either a made flush, another high club draw + a pair, or a middle-high pp with a club. The pusher obviously doesn't have much or he wouldn't have pushed, so you're way ahead of him. The side pot always has to be taken into account, especially here, as what you will win against an obviously weak opponent might supercede what you'll lose otherwise. It seems like a pretty straight forward call.

[SlackerInc 0]

I agree with Zach that we're probably ahead of the first guy, but probably not the second. I think we have to call though, as just winning the sidepot would put us about even, and we still have outs if we're behind the second guy.

QFT, though as an inveterate sceptic I actually suspect both of them of having a single club each. The second guy has lost a lot of chips early, and this is a low buyin tourney, which makes me feel less likely to agree with you that his call means a made flush.And there's always the redraw to the FH (or quads). (ETA: I see this was well covered in later posts.)