SuperJon 175 Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 I'm sick of it, and by it, I mean playing micro NL. For the past 2 months I've been playing $2 NL because that's all I've been able to play with my current bankroll. I have been very disciplined and haven't played any higher limits. This is the first time in my life that I have practiced correct bankroll management, and it's killing me. It's not the bad players that are making me quit, I thrive on them. It's not the bad beats. It's simply the fact that I'm not winning any money. Wait, let me clarify that. I am winning money, but I'm not winning any money. Over the thousands of hands I've played, I am a winning player, but the amount that I've won is so small it's really not even worth the time I've been putting in. I guess this was a great learning experience as far as how to play and how to manage my money. I no longer go on tilt when someone sucks out. I just brush it off and move on to the next hand.So now that I'm quitting, I will most likely just take a few stabs this week at $10NL and see how much I can make by next Saturday. Whatever I make by then I'm withdrawing. I have an epassporte account all set up and ready to go when I am ready to play again. I won't be making anymore deposits until I have $1500 to put in. That will be give me plenty of room to play $50 NL with. Until then, a 2 month break should give me time to study and reflect on my game. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 I'm sick of it, and by it, I mean playing micro NL. For the past 2 months I've been playing $2 NL because that's all I've been able to play with my current bankroll. I have been very disciplined and haven't played any higher limits. This is the first time in my life that I have practiced correct bankroll management, and it's killing me. It's not the bad players that are making me quit, I thrive on them. It's not the bad beats. It's simply the fact that I'm not winning any money. Wait, let me clarify that. I am winning money, but I'm not winning any money. Over the thousands of hands I've played, I am a winning player, but the amount that I've won is so small it's really not even worth the time I've been putting in. I guess this was a great learning experience as far as how to play and how to manage my money. I no longer go on tilt when someone sucks out. I just brush it off and move on to the next hand.So now that I'm quitting, I will most likely just take a few stabs this week at $10NL and see how much I can make by next Saturday. Whatever I make by then I'm withdrawing. I have an epassporte account all set up and ready to go when I am ready to play again. I won't be making anymore deposits until I have $1500 to put in. That will be give me plenty of room to play $50 NL with. Until then, a 2 month break should give me time to study and reflect on my game.when you said $2NL I thought you ment blinds, I don't blame you for not wanting to play anything less than $50... I feel the same way. Good Luck getting to $1500. Link to post Share on other sites
ohio player 0 Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 Can't wait for you to bring that 1,500 back into the pool.And for the record you can't be a very winning player because if you were than over a prolong period of games you could go from 2 => 5 =>10 =>20 =>50 while still practicing brm if you were any good.Instead you fall back on real world money like a donk is supposed to Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJon 175 Posted March 10, 2007 Author Share Posted March 10, 2007 Can't wait for you to bring that 1,500 back into the pool.And for the record you can't be a very winning player because if you were than over a prolong period of games you could go from 2 => 5 =>10 =>20 =>50 while still practicing brm if you were any good.Instead you fall back on real world money like a donk is supposed toOf course I could move up by playing, but it would take a very long time. Time is something I don't care to waste, especially on micro limits. So why not cut out the middle man, save the money, and then deposit my "real world money" so I can play at a higher limit.Thanks for posting. Have a great day. Link to post Share on other sites
ohio player 0 Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 Of course I could move up by playing, but it would take a very long time. Time is something I don't care to waste, especially on micro limits. So why not cut out the middle man, save the money, and then deposit my "real world money" so I can play at a higher limit.Thanks for posting. Have a great day.If it takes you a long time to move up than you are not a very winning player. If you can't smash the 2,5,10, and 20 buy ins than you have ZERO hope of not losing money quickly at the $50 buy in Link to post Share on other sites
Dratj 0 Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 Can't wait for you to bring that 1,500 back into the pool.And for the record you can't be a very winning player because if you were than over a prolong period of games you could go from 2 => 5 =>10 =>20 =>50 while still practicing brm if you were any good.Instead you fall back on real world money like a donk is supposed took newb, not everyone is a teenager living at home with their parents that can't afford to play more than micro limits. If you've ever played live, you pretty much have to play at least 1 2 nl and buy in at least 100 or 200 bucks. So, are you saying that because I can go to the casino and play live that I'm a donk with real world money? Or should I grind up a bankroll from the bottom before I head out to the casino? Link to post Share on other sites
HijackedAffairs 0 Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 If it takes you a long time to move up than you are not a very winning player. If you can't smash the 2,5,10, and 20 buy ins than you have ZERO hope of not losing money quickly at the $50 buy inWhat crawled up you *** and died? What you said was completely baseless. .25/.5 isn't exactly the big leagues. If your a winning player at the lower buy-ins, you'll probably be a winning player in .25/.5. Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJon 175 Posted March 10, 2007 Author Share Posted March 10, 2007 If it takes you a long time to move up than you are not a very winning player. If you can't smash the 2,5,10, and 20 buy ins than you have ZERO hope of not losing money quickly at the $50 buy inYou honestly have no idea what you're talking about. Go ahead. Start at 2NL using a 25 buy in rule, and work your way up to 50NL playing only cash games and always using proper bankroll management, and never playing anything higher than your bankroll allows.If you can do that in less than 6 months playing a few hours a day, I would be very surprised. Link to post Share on other sites
ohio player 0 Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 What crawled up you *** and died? What you said was completely baseless. .25/.5 isn't exactly the big leagues. If your a winning player at the lower buy-ins, you'll probably be a winning player in .25/.5.I agree with you, if you are a WINNING player at the lower buy ins you will probably be a winning player at higher levels, that's not my argument.My argument is that if you are such a winning player than with only a small amount of patience and brm you should easily move up limits with OTHER people's money and not your own Link to post Share on other sites
ohio player 0 Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 You honestly have no idea what you're talking about. Go ahead. Start at 2NL using a 25 buy in rule, and work your way up to 50NL playing only cash games and always using proper bankroll management, and never playing anything higher than your bankroll allows.If you can do that in less than 6 months playing a few hours a day, I would be very surprised.Well first off I don't play cash games, but I did build my bankroll from playing $5 sng's to now playing $100 sng's so I am very aware of how long it takes depending on your skill level. And I'm telling you that if stepping up slowly seems not possible than you are not winning enough to do well at higher levels. Then again I am not talking you out of anything, it's your money, I'm just telling you where it's going to end up Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJon 175 Posted March 10, 2007 Author Share Posted March 10, 2007 Well first off I don't play cash games, but I did build my bankroll from playing $5 sng's to now playing $100 sng's so I am very aware of how long it takes depending on your skill level. And I'm telling you that if stepping up slowly seems not possible than you are not winning enough to do well at higher levels. Then again I am not talking you out of anything, it's your money, I'm just telling you where it's going to end up Reason #1 why your posts in this thread are meaningless.Can you not read?I know very well that I can move up, but as I have said over and over again. I do not want to play these micro limits for the next 6 months or more until I can get to 50NL. It's much easier and efficient to save money and then deposit so I can play 50NL.What exactly is this supposed to mean? Because I'd rather save myself some time by depositing my own money, that means I'm going to lose when I start playing 50NL? Link to post Share on other sites
ohio player 0 Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 You have a problem of thinking you know more than the people who have already been down the road you're traveling.Just like a college freshman partying his a$$ off does not necessarly mean that he will flunk out, so too does buying over your current level not necessarily mean you will lose it all; however, odds are that freshman is going to blow it and end up back at home and that your little 1,500 buy in will end up in someone else's pocket because you are too weak to build a bank roll with other people's money, a process that teaches/gives you all the tools you need for the next level. Link to post Share on other sites
BeaverStyle 1 Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 Reason #1 why your posts in this thread are meaningless.Can you not read?I know very well that I can move up, but as I have said over and over again. I do not want to play these micro limits for the next 6 months or more until I can get to 50NL. It's much easier and efficient to save money and then deposit so I can play 50NL.What exactly is this supposed to mean? Because I'd rather save myself some time by depositing my own money, that means I'm going to lose when I start playing 50NL? The colors, Duke! The colors!!! Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJon 175 Posted March 10, 2007 Author Share Posted March 10, 2007 You have a problem of thinking you know more than the people who have already been down the road you're traveling.Just like a college freshman partying his a$$ off does not necessarly mean that he will flunk out, so too does buying over your current level not necessarily mean you will lose it all; however, odds are that freshman is going to blow it and end up back at home and that your little 1,500 buy in will end up in someone else's pocket because you are too weak to build a bank roll with other people's money, a process that teaches/gives you all the tools you need for the next level.Your reasoning still makes absolutely no sense. I really love how you think that because I want to save myself some time I'm automatically going to lose when I deposit the money and start playing again. I'm done with this little back and forth. Have a great day. Link to post Share on other sites
ohio player 0 Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 Your reasoning still makes absolutely no sense. I really love how you think that because I want to save myself some time I'm automatically going to lose when I deposit the money and start playing again. I'm done with this little back and forth. Have a great day.So why even post a thread if you don't want any dessent? Just quietly put your money in and play, why do you need a whole FCP parade? If you were playing for $2 than I doubt anyone will be losing sleep because you are no longer on for a period of time. Link to post Share on other sites
chgocubs99 0 Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 So why even post a thread if you don't want any dessent? Just quietly put your money in and play, why do you need a whole FCP parade? If you were playing for $2 than I doubt anyone will be losing sleep because you are no longer on for a period of time.Yea, why socialize at all? Why even talk to others? Everyone just quietly go about their lives without saying anything, espcially in a place called a FORUM.And it's not the fact that you are dissenting that is bothering people, it's the arrogant manner in which you are doing it. Link to post Share on other sites
ohio player 0 Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 Yea, why socialize at all? Why even talk to others? Everyone just quietly go about their lives without saying anything, espcially in a place called a FORUM.And it's not the fact that you are dissenting that is bothering people, it's the arrogant manner in which you are doing it.Arrogant like thinking anyone cares that a $2 player has figured out he cant make any money at the $2 level ? That's right up there with the sky is blue Link to post Share on other sites
chgocubs99 0 Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 Arrogant like thinking anyone cares that a $2 player has figured out he cant make any money at the $2 level ? That's right up there with the sky is blueWait, I thought you could make enough money at those levels to move up...which is it please? Link to post Share on other sites
ohio player 0 Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 Wait, I thought you could make enough money at those levels to move up...which is it please?It is both, you can't make any real money as in something to spend and be proud of, but you can make it to the next buy in level where you work till you make it to the next, until you reach a level where you can make enough to enjoy it Link to post Share on other sites
MyPlayIsRAB 0 Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 i sympathize with the OP, its hard to move up quickly, unless you have a horseshoe up your *** and you eat rabbits feet for breakfast, lunch and dinner.. a good winrarte at these limits is 10bb/100, so if you 4 table 5/10cnl, thats just making about 3$/hr...so to have the correct br to move up its going t take weeks Link to post Share on other sites
X ima splasher X 0 Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 i feel for ya superjon, hopefully i can give your bankrolla jump tonight =)gl with everything buddy Link to post Share on other sites
ohio player 0 Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 Awe typical of my generation to be upset by working hard and doing things the right way. The key is you will be much more happy having drug yourself through the lessons of moving up stakes on your own efforts...because once you make it, you will always be there and it will all be worth it.Also I don't know your back story so either you A: played for the amount of money that you want to now and just donked your way down to a $2 buy in bank roll, at which point what makes you think that just because you can make money now at a level where people literally treat the money like play chips that you can now all of a sudden return to your losing stake level and not just blow it again.or B: you have never played at this buy in that is 25 times higher than your current buy in, in which case you're drastically overestimating what kind of player you will be at a level where people start to care and play for realand if it is C: the case that i HIGHLY doubt, that you just withdrew your winnings and couldn't afford to put it back in than this thread is pointless in that it is a no brainer to redeposit at your former higher winning level Link to post Share on other sites
Abbaddabba 0 Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 i sympathize with the OP, its hard to move up quickly, unless you have a horseshoe up your *** and you eat rabbits feet for breakfast, lunch and dinner.. a good winrarte at these limits is 10bb/100, so if you 4 table 5/10cnl, thats just making about 3$/hr...so to have the correct br to move up its going t take weeksYou should be getting in at least 500 hands an hour, if not more for this level. If you win 10bb/100, that's at least a buy in every 2 hours before bonus/rakeback/points. It shouldnt take you more than a solid weekend of play to move up a level if you are winning at those rates. Link to post Share on other sites
MyPlayIsRAB 0 Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 You should be getting in at least 500 hands an hour, if not more for this level. If you win 10bb/100, that's at least a buy in every 2 hours before bonus/rakeback/points. It shouldnt take you more than a solid weekend of play to move up a level if you are winning at those rates.i played about 4k hands at 5/10c nl this month. i NEVER got more than 275 hands in 4 tabling 9man. if you 8ta bled you could.. in that case yeah, if you put 20 hours in 8 tabling you could win $100 or something Link to post Share on other sites
Abbaddabba 0 Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 You should be playing more than 4 tables then.The number of tables you can handle is based on how many you're dealt an hour. Link to post Share on other sites
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