Woodbelly 0 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 I'm really high and don't know what to say so here...http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/poker/colum...mp;lid=tab6pos2 Link to post Share on other sites
offset 0 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 D'Amato is one of the more famous poker players in congressional history, assuming such a list might exist, and that takes in a whole lot of territory normally reserved for calculated liars, convicted cheats and general obfuscators -- and we still haven't gotten to the poker table yet. He's the man.uhh... i'm really speechless. this is the stupidest stereotype i have ever read in an article from a well known source. He gives no reason to ban online poker except that "only" 23 million people play it. his article is more of a personal attack of a senator he does not like than an argument for prohibition of online poker. Link to post Share on other sites
wrathuc 0 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 "What D'Amato and the PPA seem to hate the most is the fact that Congress casually lumped in poker with other online games of chance. As they see it, poker is a game of skill and chance, which therefore entitles Al to call it a sport, which blah blah blah -- you can see where this is going."did he really just say blah blah blah?!?!?! Link to post Share on other sites
azureXsmurF 0 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 I'm really high and don't know what to say so here...http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/poker/colum...mp;lid=tab6pos2 I'm not high and don'tknow what to say.This guy is a total asshat. Link to post Share on other sites
DanielNegreanu 141 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 This piece was horrible? Totally clueless and he twisted D'Amato's words. 70 million people DO play poker in this county. This writer than says that no they don't, on;y 23 million people play online poker. Huh? What? Is this guy for real? Has he never heard of poker being played in casinos and home games across the country? I wasn't happy with the way this article was written at all. The writer doesn't seem to know much about what he's talking about. Link to post Share on other sites
obrien64 0 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 This piece was horrible? Totally clueless and he twisted D'Amato's words. 70 million people DO play poker in this county. This writer than says that no they don't, on;y 23 million people play online poker. Huh? What? Is this guy for real? Has he never heard of poker being played in casinos and home games across the country? I wasn't happy with the way this article was written at all. The writer doesn't seem to know much about what he's talking about.if there was only someone on this forum with enough clout to call the guy up and set him straight about how professional successful poker players feel about the issue.....anyone?? Link to post Share on other sites
Woodbelly 0 Posted March 7, 2007 Author Share Posted March 7, 2007 I'm still high and still speechless...I don't know why espn would let this guy write for them? Link to post Share on other sites
ObeyTheDog 0 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 This piece was horrible? Totally clueless and he twisted D'Amato's words. 70 million people DO play poker in this county. This writer than says that no they don't, on;y 23 million people play online poker. Huh? What? Is this guy for real? Has he never heard of poker being played in casinos and home games across the country? I wasn't happy with the way this article was written at all. The writer doesn't seem to know much about what he's talking about.Agreed. He doesn't know much about what he's talking about and brings his preachy holier than thou attitude and opinions on his sleeve shoving down other people's throats what he doesn't understand or believe in. It's online poker people, if you don't enjoy it, understand it, or like any game of skill and chance for money because some guy can school you in cards, then don't play!! You don't have to ban it. Link to post Share on other sites
delphi12 0 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 This piece was horrible? Totally clueless and he twisted D'Amato's words. 70 million people DO play poker in this county. This writer than says that no they don't, on;y 23 million people play online poker. Huh? What? Is this guy for real? Has he never heard of poker being played in casinos and home games across the country? I wasn't happy with the way this article was written at all. The writer doesn't seem to know much about what he's talking about.I don't understand, Daniel, are you questioning that the piece was horrible or stating that it is? And, not to protect this guy - I didn't particularly like his writing style either, but he never twisted any words by D'Amato (who, btw, just gives me the creeps looking at him - im guessing hes got some skeletons in his closet that is going to make the PPA look pretty bad with him at the forefront). What he did do, however, is quote D'Amato and his number that the PPA has 160,000 when their own website says they only have 135,000. The 23 million and 70 million number was described exactly how you stated it - It made sense to me what he was trying to say (basically, that since the online number is less than half of the total number of players that its just not signifcant - plus many of the 23million are also included in the 70million - so the ban isnt really hurting that many people). Link to post Share on other sites
delphi12 0 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 Agreed. He doesn't know much about what he's talking about and brings his preachy holier than thou attitude and opinions on his sleeve shoving down other people's throats what he doesn't understand or believe in.Kind of like someone we know who writes a blog, eh? Link to post Share on other sites
Eleusis 2 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 First of all, mark@markkreidler.com. I just sent that retard a scathing email, and suggest others follow suit. Also read the comments below the article. Not a single one is positive. Kind of like someone we know who writes a blog, eh?Secondly, delphi12, you are an idiot and full of $hit. Why are you even here, you F'ing troll? Link to post Share on other sites
Eleusis 2 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 ... and just to break down your idiotic comments... but he never twisted any words by D'AmatoWRONG! What he did do, however, is quote D'Amato and his number that the PPA has 160,000 when their own website says they only have 135,000.WRONG! Where does the article ever mention 135,000? Where did it say D'Amato mentioned 160,000?It says, "The PPA, which puts its membership at 160,000 (again, take it or leave it as an estimate)"The 23 million and 70 million number was described exactly how you stated itWRONG!The article says, "[Al] added: 'You don't have 70 million people participating in baseball." In fact, the PPA's news release estimates that only about 23 million people played Internet poker last year, meaning Al has a bunch of Friday night garages to fill if he's going to get his sport up to 70 million nationally.'Can you really not see the difference? Kreidler is totally leaving out CASINOS. You are either a moron, a Frist apologist, a trolling DN hater, or are simply just being willfully obtuse. Link to post Share on other sites
thedropouts 0 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 has anyone read his other articals?http://sports.espn.go.com/keyword/search?s...r&rT=sportsKreidler: Zito's departure from Oakland all too familiar to A's fans --- umm...Kreidler: Knight's record is great achievement, but lacks identity --- are you serious?Kreidler: Raiders need to hire coach with pizzazz --- lolalso all of the ones I read seem to shead no new insight to what you already know about the team, player ect...read the tiger woods one to see what I meanKreidler: How has Woods changed golf? http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blackhistor...&id=2763296 Link to post Share on other sites
13CARDS 0 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 This piece was horrible? Totally clueless and he twisted D'Amato's words. 70 million people DO play poker in this county. This writer than says that no they don't, on;y 23 million people play online poker. Huh? What? Is this guy for real? Has he never heard of poker being played in casinos and home games across the country? I wasn't happy with the way this article was written at all. The writer doesn't seem to know much about what he's talking about.From http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-jour...&ucat=&What journalist hears a man say there are 70 million poker players in the U.S., and then tries to argue that by saying only 23 million people played online poker last year? Then goes on to basically insinuate that D’Amato is a liar. Mr. Kriedler, don't you see the wholes in your article? Did D’Amato say that 70 million people play online poker, or did you make a boo-boo? Which is it, because based on what you wrote, you come off though you really don’t have a clue what you are trying to say?You meant holes, right? Spellchecker sucks. Link to post Share on other sites
FileError404 0 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 First thing that came to my mind was, WTF? He works for ESPN? Shouldn't he know better? Then I saw this response to his douuche-column and since this guy is a writer I won't bother trying to do better...: Mark,You have given journalists (myself included) a bad name with this self-serving display of trash. What I find laughable, is that the "Worldwide Leader" carries this game (I will not call it sport) as a STAPLE of its programming. You may want to check out ESPN2 right now (2:27am EST opn Mar. 7, 2007), as Allen Cunningham wins another WSOP Bracelet. Poker fills more dayparts of programming on ESPN than you could imagine...and I say imagine since you obviously have no clue what you are talking about.The PPA is still in its infancy, and I am hopeful that Mr. D'Amato will be able to start the process of undoing a great injustice to American civil rights. WE choose to play online poker becuase many of our states do not have poker rooms. WE CHOOSE to win or lose the money WE MAKE. Now that the government has decided they know what is best for us poker players, all should just be accepted?That isn't America, Mark. We fight for our rights when they are infringed upon, or, in this case, flat out taken away. I disagree with what you write, but I will fight to the death to preserve your right to write it.That in mind, hold up your end of the bargain, and do some homework before you put forth such junk."Better to say nothing and have people think you a fool, rather than speak and remove all doubt."I think a bunch of e-mails to espn corporate are in order...anyone got the address?I nominate Mark as the first selection for the "Biggest douuche In The Universe" award. Link to post Share on other sites
psujohn 0 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 If you read the NY Times piece you'll see some valid criticisms of the numbers.Of course this ESPN piece reads like the guy read the NY Times article as his first introduction to poker and online gambling and then created his own piece. Not only is the writing complete garbage but he literally adds nothing over what the NYT wrote. Submit this as an essay to any high school English class and you'd be lucky to get a C. If the teacher had read the NYT piece you'd be looking at a D. Link to post Share on other sites
nutzbuster 7 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 If you read the NY Times piece you'll see some valid criticisms of the numbers.Of course this ESPN piece reads like the guy read the NY Times article as his first introduction to poker and online gambling and then created his own piece. Not only is the writing complete garbage but he literally adds nothing over what the NYT wrote. Submit this as an essay to any high school English class and you'd be lucky to get a C. If the teacher had read the NYT piece you'd be looking at a D.N Y Times is a hard core, biased, leftist agenda riddled rag. It all makes sense now, if Keider looked to the NYT as his basis for his comments. Two peas in a pod. Kreider is a misinformed bomb throwing clown. Link to post Share on other sites
MoChipsPlese 0 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 N Y Times is a hard core, biased, leftist agenda riddled rag. It all makes sense now, if Keider looked to the NYT as his basis for his comments. Two peas in a pod. Kreider is a misinformed bomb throwing clown. Land of the free and home of the Slaves. I just hope it doesn't reach Canadian soil anytime soon. Wishful thinking I suppose. Keep fighting you guys and whatever help we (your friends to the North) can provide we'll be more than willing. Just don't ask us to fight! Hehe! We're great at keeping the peace though. Link to post Share on other sites
blakheart 3 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 has anyone read his other articals?Kreidler: Zito's departure from Oakland all too familiar to A's fans --- umm...Kreidler: Knight's record is great achievement, but lacks identity --- are you serious?Kreidler: Raiders need to hire coach with pizzazz --- lolhttp://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blackhistor...&id=2763296 Kreidler normally writes for the Sacramento Bee. These stories are really local stories picked up.But- as a writer living in Sacramento he has to know about Casino gambling. There has been minor controversy regarding the limitiation of Poker rooms in Sacramento County. Theses article appeared in his paper. Link to post Share on other sites
pokertvstar 0 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 First thing that came to my mind was, WTF? He works for ESPN? Shouldn't he know better? Then I saw this response to his douuche-column and since this guy is a writer I won't bother trying to do better...:Do you think the comment you quoted was good or bad? Other than a misspelled "because", I thought it was pretty good. Link to post Share on other sites
13CARDS 0 Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 You meant holes, right? Spellchecker sucks.DN did mean holes...he edited his blog.First I get the WSOP homepage fixed. Then, I get DN to edit his blog. Whatever will I do next? Link to post Share on other sites
blueodum 0 Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Dreamclown is waiting .... Link to post Share on other sites
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