fossilman is the man

[CrAcKeDaCeS 0]

I read Moneymaker's book, and while I'm not saying it's the gospel truth, he does say that he offered Farha a split, and Farha turned him down. He was staked 45% (I think 20% from his dad, and 5% each from 5 of his friends). So, while he didn't walk away with the full 2.5 mil, there is no reason to discredit the bluff he made when he and Farha went HU.

[MarkZ 0]

i couldnt imagine laying 2k on a 2500-1 shot. you usually cant even find odds to bet on like that. its about like a 80 team nfl parlay or picking the whole college bracket right.

Not that this matters, but chances of picking the entire bracket right is somewhere around 9 x 10^18 to 1.

[Scott3705 0]

I read Moneymaker's book, and while I'm not saying it's the gospel truth, he does say that he offered Farha a split, and Farha turned him down. He was staked 45% (I think 20% from his dad, and 5% each from 5 of his friends). So, while he didn't walk away with the full 2.5 mil, there is no reason to discredit the bluff he made when he and Farha went HU.

I don't know a lot about moneymaker but I have heard a lot about how he was staked by other people. I was always under the impression that he had won a satelite tournament online or something. So why did he have to be staked? Or did he buy in for the 10,000? Probably a stupid question.... I just always wanted to know.

[CrAcKeDaCeS 0]

I read Moneymaker's book, and while I'm not saying it's the gospel truth, he does say that he offered Farha a split, and Farha turned him down. He was staked 45% (I think 20% from his dad, and 5% each from 5 of his friends). So, while he didn't walk away with the full 2.5 mil, there is no reason to discredit the bluff he made when he and Farha went HU.

I don't know a lot about moneymaker but I have heard a lot about how he was staked by other people. I was always under the impression that he had won a satelite tournament online or something. So why did he have to be staked? Or did he buy in for the 10,000? Probably a stupid question.... I just always wanted to know.

The story goes a little something like this: Moneymaker and his wife (and their new baby) were about $8000 in debt. He entered the $40 sattelite on PokerStars with 1st place being a seat in the $2003 WSOP and 2nd place being something like $6000 cash. Originally he was shooting for 2nd place so he and his wife could crawl out of their debt. Well, his friend talks him out of that, offers to buy a piece of him (50% to be exact) in the tournament. So if Moneymaker had finished dead last, his friend would have been out $5000. Long story short, his friend can't end up staking him, so his dad jumps in and offers to buy 20% of him, and then some of his other friends jump in and stake him. He ended up using some of the money from his friends and dad to play in sattelites before the WSOP as a warm up. Lucky for him he won, or he would have been out that money too.

[DJ_Chaps 0]

uuuuuh, moneymaker paid $40 in an online satellite. who needs to be staked for 40 bones?

[CrAcKeDaCeS 0]

uuuuuh, moneymaker paid $40 in an online satellite. who needs to be staked for 40 bones?

Read this thread again for an answer.

[mplv 0]

my friend was a dealer at the wsop. i asked money800 on stars if indeed he chopped and he said that sammy asked and he aggreed, unless he lied about getting paid 500k less i belive him. i had the screen shots saved of the chat line but the gf likes to click every popup she sees and crashed my computer so i lost them. naver did i say raymer wasnt a great player, i just said he needed stake.

[offsuitbluff 0]

MoneyMaker is still a superior PLAYER to varkoni.Fossilman have any other tournament succes?

[Emptyeye 0]

I read Moneymaker's book, and while I'm not saying it's the gospel truth, he does say that he offered Farha a split, and Farha turned him down. He was staked 45% (I think 20% from his dad, and 5% each from 5 of his friends). So, while he didn't walk away with the full 2.5 mil, there is no reason to discredit the bluff he made when he and Farha went HU.

Incidentally, I remember reading somewhere that it was Farha's turning him down that allowed him to make that bluff. Basically, Farha turned him down despite being at a rather large disadvantage in chips, so Moneymaker figured that Farha thought he could outplay him. Effectively, when that moment came up, he bluffed at it figuring Farha would fold and wait for a better spot to get his money in (Moneymaker had nothing, but if I remember correctly, Farha only had some middle pair himself).Incidentally, someone pointed out here that the concensus among pros is that Farha would've been one of the lesser main event champions himself had he come back (Pot Limit Omaha being his forte). Just something to think about.

[offsuitbluff 0]

well Farha's no limit holdem game isn't highly regarded by other pros but givin the some of the previous winners(varkoni), I think he still would have been a admirable champ.this chop talk is interesting becuase I think Farha is loaded, like really relly loaded. On espn he said that if he won the tournament he would still be stuck money for that particular trip to vegas!

[NicksDad1970 0]

Because, In Tenn. they have a law that will give moneymakers wife half of everything he has...

When was this law passed?I am from Tennessee and when My ex-wife and I got divorced there was no law saying I had to give her half. The vast majority of divorces end with a MDA(marriage dissolution agreement). You negotiate what each will get, the judege looks it over to make sure noone is getting screwed bad, then go on with life.

[dominatingdink 0]

I'm in Tennessee, too. Nashville area. Where abouts are you?We have some excellent poker rooms and cash games in the area if you would like some info.-DD

[SplashMaster 0]

my friend was a dealer at the wsop. i asked money800 on stars if indeed he chopped and he said that sammy asked and he aggreed, unless he lied about getting paid 500k less i belive him. i had the screen shots saved of the chat line but the gf likes to click every popup she sees and crashed my computer so i lost them. naver did i say raymer wasnt a great player, i just said he needed stake.

who was your friend if I may ask

[ArseneLupin3 0]

i couldnt imagine laying 2k on a 2500-1 shot. you usually cant even find odds to bet on like that. its about like a 80 team nfl parlay or picking the whole college bracket right.

Not that this matters, but chances of picking the entire bracket right is somewhere around 9 x 10^18 to 1.

Yeah, because sometimes the 16 seeds win.-adam