mucking or calling an all in with kk pre-flop

[daddypoker23 0]

i was playing at a shorthanded 50/1 nl game. i was doing very well the max u can start with was 50 and i build it up to 510 or so i've never have done that before either way i was one position away from the button and i had pocket kk i raised it 4 bucks then this guy who was on the sb re-raised me all in he had 160 or so in front of him. now am not going to say what i did but i would like u guys input and found out what u would do and why...... to help u out the guy who went all in is very unpredictable player at anytime he can be holding any two random cards . peace out joel

[dtemp 0]

to help u out the guy who went all in is very unpredictable player at anytime he can be holding any two random cards . peace out joel

There are very few cases where you want to lay down kk pre flop and that's when you are 100% sure he would only do that with aces. But considering he could do that with any hand, well then you have to call. You are a 4-1 favorie over most hands and a 2.3-1 favorite over a hand with one ace in it. Folding isn't even an option with an unpredictable opponent like this.

[Swift_Psycho 1]

to help u out the guy who went all in is very unpredictable player at anytime he can be holding any two random cards . I was leaning towards folding until I read that.

[Guest XXEddie]

...callyou said hes unpredictable, so this is an easy call, if you said he was very, very, VERY tight, folding would be good...but you didnt so call

[treydru21 0]

and at the worst u lose ur 160 and are still up 7x's ur buy in... Gotta call even more so when u say he is unpredictable. My thought is he has a mid pocket pair like 99 or 1010... So what happened and if u folded did he show

[SplashMaster 0]

to help u out the guy who went all in is very unpredictable player at anytime he can be holding any two random cards . I was leaning towards folding until I read that.

how could you ever fold. if he had aces would he raise 4.00 to 160.00?I hope not

[SplashMaster 0]

and furthermore, anyone who would raise a 4.00 bet all in for 160.00has guarenteed himself of only being called when he is crushed. I am willing to bet if the op called he had this player in awful shape.huge all-ins like that silly as you will risk 160.00 to win 4.00 and like I said get called when your way behind

[Swift_Psycho 1]

to help u out the guy who went all in is very unpredictable player at anytime he can be holding any two random cards . I was leaning towards folding until I read that.

how could you ever fold. if he had aces would he raise 4.00 to 160.00?I hope not

I hope not too. I'm not crazy about paying such an astronomical amount to find out. I'd rather wait until I had at least seen a flop before throwing this much in. Like I said, since he is unpredictable and loose, this is automatic call. If it is just some random play from an unknown player from out of nowhere? Yeah, I might seriously consider folding. Granted, that's easier said than done. Currently I say I might fold in such a situation, but it might just be too hard for me to do it when it actually happens.Edit: Besides, this isn't the "high" levels that you are used to playing at. Players will do some crazy things at this level, like just moving in with aces whenever they see them. Heck, that's smash's advice for beating lower-limit NL hold'em (I've heard his advice is effective as well). Maybe the guy got the idea from him.

[KingAustin 0]

I dont mean to sound mean or anything, but how did you get your stack up that big without betting that high and risking a part of your stack when you're at worst a 2-1 favorite (except for 1 hand, aces)? Definitely seems like one of the best case scenarios in poker, raise, re-raise all in for a huge stack, and you have pocket kings. I hope you called. You obviously didnt win the pot if you're making this thread though, so you probably folded.

[MDawg198 0]

I'd put him on something like AK or AQ...88-QQ. No matter what you're calling. There's only one hand that has you beat, and seeing that he's unpredictable, you have to call. Also, someone with AA should probably only make a decent size raise to get out some people but keep a few with good hands so that he could suck more money out later.Just my thoughts.

[treydru21 0]

you are a fool :roll: No offense, but this is like a dream come tru, I am up over 10 x my money with pocket kings with a unpredicable player re-raising me all in. My chips couldnt have hit the pot fast enough

[Erudis 0]

uh call

[remi983 0]

I never keep playing in games like this when I have significantly more money than the rest of the table. The risk/reward ratio is simply not right. I have the chance to lose a lot of money to players if they get lucky, but zero chance to make anymore real money. That is, in many of these low buy-in NL games,once players get short stacked, they simply go all in and try to get lucky on you. This is great if you are a casino or have an infinite bankroll and can afford to risk a huge chunk of your chips with only a marginal edge... These all-in preflop fests equate to more of a mutual gambling thing than real poker. You guys need to realise that hold'em is a seven card game and was designed to be played after the flop.IMO, poker daddy, you have already done what you set out to do - make a lot of money. Staying in that game has almost zero positive expectation, you've already won all of the money. By continuing to play you are only giving the other players a chance to take a big piece of your stack.You obviously played good to get to $510. Reallistically, though, with the buy-in capped @ $50, you have won about as much as you can expect to win. You have accomplished much in winning, at this point it is time for you to leave the table. Knowing when to quit winners is an important part of playing good poker.

[Swift_Psycho 1]

Knowing when to quit winners is an important part of playing good poker.I dunno about this. If it is a "fishy" table, I'm not crazy about leaving. And I think knowing when to quit as a loser is more important than learning to quit as a winner.

[Frantotti 0]

Will you now just tell us what happened. Im pissed off with people posting ahand and then taking forever to post what happened at the end. Do they think that we are all sat around our computers waiting for the poxy ending??

[Guest XXEddie]

Will you now just tell us what happened. Im censored off with people posting ahand and then taking forever to post what happened at the end. Do they think that we are all sat around our computers waiting for the poxy ending??

I amits called patience

[Frantotti 0]

Well I suppose your the ******* with over 1500 posts in four months. You don't have any other things to do.

[jack24bauer24 0]

to help u out the guy who went all in is very unpredictable player at anytime he can be holding any two random cards . peace out joel

There are very few cases where you want to lay down kk pre flop and that's when you are 100% sure he would only do that with aces. But considering he could do that with any hand, well then you have to call. You are a 4-1 favorie over most hands and a 2.3-1 favorite over a hand with one ace in it. Folding isn't even an option with an unpredictable opponent like this.

I fold.You have 4 dollars invested in the pot.Wait for the nuts later.

[Guest XXEddie]

Well I suppose your the censored with over 1500 posts in four months. You don't have any other things to do.

.....so Im an active member....big deal?

[SplashMaster 0]

to help u out the guy who went all in is very unpredictable player at anytime he can be holding any two random cards . peace out joel

There are very few cases where you want to lay down kk pre flop and that's when you are 100% sure he would only do that with aces. But considering he could do that with any hand, well then you have to call. You are a 4-1 favorie over most hands and a 2.3-1 favorite over a hand with one ace in it. Folding isn't even an option with an unpredictable opponent like this.

I fold.You have 4 dollars invested in the pot.Wait for the nuts later.

KK against a player like this ( one who makes a 154.00 raise to win 4.00) is the nutstell me one hand that is worth putting in 160.00 when someone makes it 4.00?you cant fathom how dumb that islike I said earlier, your only getting action from a hand that your crushed againstmake sense to anyone?folding is absurd in this situation

[Frantotti 0]

Your an active member with a RUSTY DOORBELL.

[remi983 0]

Knowing when to quit winners is an important part of playing good poker. I dunno about this. If it is a "fishy" table, I'm not crazy about leaving. And I think knowing when to quit as a loser is more important than learning to quit as a winner.

Noooo, knowing when to quit winners is a vital aspect of the game. Of course "hit and run" poker is foolish, but it is important to be able to lock up your winnings. I'll reiterate what I said earlier...At this point in the game he has most of the money on the table. Even though he may be a better player than everyone there, he is taking the worst of it. - He has a lot to lose and only a little to gain.Leaving the table is the right move.

[remi983 0]

sorry, got the quote backwards...but y'all can see what I was going for

[jack24bauer24 0]

to help u out the guy who went all in is very unpredictable player at anytime he can be holding any two random cards . peace out joel

There are very few cases where you want to lay down kk pre flop and that's when you are 100% sure he would only do that with aces. But considering he could do that with any hand, well then you have to call. You are a 4-1 favorie over most hands and a 2.3-1 favorite over a hand with one ace in it. Folding isn't even an option with an unpredictable opponent like this.

I fold.You have 4 dollars invested in the pot.Wait for the nuts later.

KK against a player like this ( one who makes a 154.00 raise to win 4.00) is the nutstell me one hand that is worth putting in 160.00 when someone makes it 4.00?you cant fathom how dumb that islike I said earlier, your only getting action from a hand that your crushed againstmake sense to anyone?folding is absurd in this situation

There are lots of people who go all in with aces after a bet or aces in front of them.If this guy is crazy you are going to have plenty of chances to trap him with the stone cold nuts.I don't see why you risk 160 against the nuts when you have 4 dollars invested in the pot.

[....Ian.... 0]

now am not going to say what i did but i would like u guys input and found out what u would do and why

i'd really like to knew how things went but i thin kfrom this statement that he had AA and you called. am i right ? or way off?