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So. heres the thingi've been playing poker for several years now. At casinos, and the occasional local casino tournament.I just started playing online for cash, and i'm playing at low limits before trying higher. I started with 0 .15/0.25 NL, and 1/2 Limit..But i was in a No limit game the other day with Pock aces., i raised 4xBB sitting at UTG + 1.. i get a few callers of course. flop is A,10,x two hearts..<checks to me>I bet out the pot. i get 1 caller. the small blind.,, of course. i'm thinking 2 pair., or flush draw., turn brings a rag, he checks, so i bet strong again. he calls., Now i'm really thinking flush... river brings a heart.. so now i figure i'm screwed.. he checks.. (thinking i'm trapped) i also check.. only to find out he was calling with pocket 5's... what for?? with two over cards,and a possible flush.. i dont know.I'm glad i won it., but is it even logical to think that in depth? what type of people play those low limits?Should I under estimate?. or continue to over estimate these players?

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Depends on the table, man. I've sat at a .25/.50 table full of students of the game who all took it very seriously. This sucked, in a way. You can also sit at table where people call you down with pocket 5s. You just have to try to get a read on the table, or on at least a few people at the table. You just have to try to separate the bad from the good and go from there.Kinda makes you mad that you missed a bet at the end, doesn't it? I woulda done the same thing, but it always bugs me.

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yeah online poker is nuts. I played .5/1 limit earlier and I had big slick...ace hits the flop and some guy is reraising me with what turns out to be an a2...i hit 2 pair and he paid me a good 5 bucks but i just cant think of a good reason to play...o wait..it was soooooooooooooooted

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So. heres the thingi've been playing poker for several years now. At casinos, and the occasional local casino tournament.I just started playing online for cash, and i'm playing at low limits before trying higher. I started with 0 .15/0.25 NL, and 1/2 Limit..But i was in a No limit game the other day with Pock aces., i raised 4xBB sitting at UTG + 1.. i get a few callers of course. flop is A,10,x two hearts..<checks to me>I bet out the pot. i get 1 caller. the small blind.,, of course. i'm thinking 2 pair., or flush draw., turn brings a rag, he checks, so i bet strong again. he calls., Now i'm really thinking flush... river brings a heart.. so now i figure i'm screwed.. he checks.. (thinking i'm trapped) i also check.. only to find out he was calling with pocket 5's... what for?? with two over cards,and a possible flush.. i dont know.I'm glad i won it., but is it even logical to think that in depth? what type of people play those low limits?Should I under estimate?. or continue to over estimate these players?
What would you do if he moved in at the river? Why?
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Should I under estimate?. or continue to over estimate these players?
It should be pretty easy to see after a few rounds how each player is. Look to enter pots with the live ones, they may suck you out a few times but will pay you off in the long run. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO BLUFF THESE PLAYERS. It's like peeing into a stiff breeze. Try to steal with the tight ones in heads up situations, if they check, bet.
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Nothing wrong with checking on the river there, in the face of a presumed flush draw. You knew you were ahead the whole time and were able to build up the pot a little. Be glad you took it down, didn't get sucked out, and were able to identify a tight-weak player at the table you could go after throughout the session. Now if you had gotten cute and slow played and ended up with nothing in the pot holding such a strong hand, then you'd have reason to start pulling your hair out.

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What would you do if he moved in at the river? Why?I would 100% call. only because i was so far into the pot., it was almost all my stack., but it would be one of those/.. Fine. i'll call. just show me the flush and let me leave.. :club:

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Now if you had gotten cute and slow played and ended up with nothing in the pot holding such a strong hand, then you'd have reason to start pulling your hair out.This is true., and i like to mix up my game.. But i noticed almost everyone. (well a lot).. of the players at these games will slow play high pockets like they are the next best thing since sliced bread., Its horrible to think, but i'm almost tempted to stoop down to their level and slow play aces to throw them off, and make them think i'm a really good player.. Cuz so far when i raise with good pockets, i see little messages in the text box saying. "way to slow play that moron".. LOL.. i just laugh at that.[/b]

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Now if you had gotten cute and slow played and ended up with nothing in the pot holding such a strong hand, then you'd have reason to start pulling your hair out.This is true., and i like to mix up my game.. But i noticed almost everyone. (well a lot).. of the players at these games will slow play high pockets like they are the next best thing since sliced bread., Its horrible to think, but i'm almost tempted to stoop down to their level and slow play aces to throw them off, and make them think i'm a really good player.. Cuz so far when i raise with good pockets, i see little messages in the text box saying. "way to slow play that moron".. LOL.. i just laugh at that.[/b]
Noooo, resist the temptation to slow play bad players. They will pay you off anyway, I was in a tourney Monday night and a guy paid me off on a board of AT9T6. He had 77 I had AA , I reraised him both preflop and on the flop. I only slow played by just calling on the turn when I hit my boat. Then he check called a 2200 bet into a 4400 pot with 7's. :club: Slow play aggressive players who will bet at every pot.
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So. heres the thingi've been playing poker for several years now. At casinos, and the occasional local casino tournament.I just started playing online for cash, and i'm playing at low limits before trying higher. I started with 0 .15/0.25 NL, and 1/2 Limit..But i was in a No limit game the other day with Pock aces., i raised 4xBB sitting at UTG + 1.. i get a few callers of course. flop is A,10,x two hearts..<checks to me>I bet out the pot. i get 1 caller. the small blind.,, of course. i'm thinking 2 pair., or flush draw., turn brings a rag, he checks, so i bet strong again. he calls., Now i'm really thinking flush... river brings a heart.. so now i figure i'm screwed.. he checks.. (thinking i'm trapped) i also check.. only to find out he was calling with pocket 5's... what for?? with two over cards,and a possible flush.. i dont know.I'm glad i won it., but is it even logical to think that in depth? what type of people play those low limits?Should I under estimate?. or continue to over estimate these players?
heres what I findif the player makes his flush on the river why would he attempt a checkraisehow will he be sure you will betif I made the flush out of position, unless I knew for certain the player would bet, im leading outI want to get paid on the riverif he had 2 pair on the flop he would have raised the flop
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So. heres the thingi've been playing poker for several years now. At casinos, and the occasional local casino tournament.I just started playing online for cash, and i'm playing at low limits before trying higher. I started with 0 .15/0.25 NL, and 1/2 Limit..But i was in a No limit game the other day with Pock aces., i raised 4xBB sitting at UTG + 1.. i get a few callers of course. flop is A,10,x two hearts..<checks to me>I bet out the pot. i get 1 caller. the small blind.,, of course. i'm thinking 2 pair., or flush draw., turn brings a rag, he checks, so i bet strong again. he calls., Now i'm really thinking flush... river brings a heart.. so now i figure i'm screwed.. he checks.. (thinking i'm trapped) i also check.. only to find out he was calling with pocket 5's... what for?? with two over cards,and a possible flush.. i dont know.I'm glad i won it., but is it even logical to think that in depth? what type of people play those low limits?Should I under estimate?. or continue to over estimate these players?
heres what I findif the player makes his flush on the river why would he attempt a checkraisehow will he be sure you will betif I made the flush out of position, unless I knew for certain the player would bet, im leading outI want to get paid on the riverif he had 2 pair on the flop he would have raised the flop
I know.. and this is what was going through my mind the entire time. But the way i was betting was aggressive, I figured he checked. because i invested so much that he figured i would just push again. This is where the "over-thinking" came into play.. i basically did the thinking for both of us at that time. haha
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This is true., and i like to mix up my game.. But i noticed almost everyone. (well a lot).. of the players at these games will slow play high pockets like they are the next best thing since sliced bread., Its horrible to think, but i'm almost tempted to stoop down to their level and slow play aces to throw them off, and make them think i'm a really good player.. Cuz so far when i raise with good pockets, i see little messages in the text box saying. "way to slow play that moron".. LOL.. i just laugh at that.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again:Fast playing is the new slow playing. Take advantage. This applies to hitting sets/trips in particular; so many people try and slowplay them (Thinking they're being sneaky when this has almost become the standard play amongst fish) that they won't give you credit for the set if you just lead out and bet it. In this case, I see you did that; NICELY DONE. As far as this hand in particular goes, you had him on the flush draw (And given he did nothing but call, I see no reason to think otherwise given no prior reads) and thus played it correctly. Yeah, your read was off in this case, but if you were right every time, you should be starting a Psychic Hotline, not playing poker. And yeah, if I had the flush draw and got there, I might check on the river because, as you said, you had been so aggressive that it's not THAT unreasonable for you to fire one more time. Of course, for that to work, I would probably first have to make you think I'm NOT on the draw, as your betting out the entire way indicates either a made hand (IE not the same flush draw) or balls of steel to raise with 2 suited cards and then keep firing with nothing but a draw.
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Fast playing is the new slow playing. Take advantage. This applies to hitting sets/trips in particular; so many people try and slowplay them (Thinking they're being sneaky when this has almost become the standard play amongst fish) that they won't give you credit for the set if you just lead out and bet it.this is particularily true in limit. all those idiots who think theyre being tricky by checkraising the turn are actually losing bets. think about it. HU, i bet the flop, you call. i bet the turn you checkraise, now i call and checkcall the turn unless i can beat a set. You've extracted 3.5bb. I've gotten 9 or 10 bb headsup out of opponents by just betting it out. they put you on TPTK at best.

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