cubsfan44 0 Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 You can't hint at online poker being rigged, and then demand that people do not turn this into a joke about it being rigged.It either is, or it's not... which is it? What is it that you're saying then? You are in fact CLEARLY suggesting that it is rigged, by saying that the dominating hand hardly ever wins. I'd be very interested to know exactly how many tournaments/SNGs that you have played.Also, I promise you that part of the reason is that you seem to notice the 'bad beats' more than the hands that stand up when they 'should'. There are also much more bad players online, meaning more bad calls, meaning more suck outs.I assure you that the odds do add up online, and Pokerstars is not rigged. There are NOT more bad beats on the river than there should be. Link to post Share on other sites
DoinSublime 0 Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 If you're worried, just invest: Link to post Share on other sites
meservery 0 Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 Any thoughts...serious ones. If it doesn't have Siamese twins in a jar, it is not a fair. Link to post Share on other sites
the_stein 0 Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 I was clearly jokingOpening Poster: If this is so important to you and you are concerned you should keep a chart. Have different columns, such as a column for 80/20s, 70/30s etc and see what happensPlease report back to us after a few thousand hands Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisRichey 1 Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 Please report back to us after a few thousand handsThere's an assignment to keep him busy for awhile. Link to post Share on other sites
MyPlayIsRAB 0 Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 There's an assignment to keep him busy for awhile.ya it definitely is, id like to hear the results, because im sure theyll be clear, concise,and organized Link to post Share on other sites
CiberX 0 Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 no msg Link to post Share on other sites
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Dubey 1,035 Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 I was really hoping this wouldn't turn into a joke about online poker being rigged. I know it's not, and I know Stars isn't rigged. That wasn't what I was getting at. My statement was merely an observation that dominating hands don't seem to hold up as the odds say they should. This is everyones hands, not mine.I am actually strongly opposed to the death penalty, I just feel that some people deserve to die for their crimes, and who better to do it than the government? Link to post Share on other sites
VernonME 0 Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 after reading this article a few days ago, i got to thinking that this does seem to happen, but hey, "thats poker". but in the past 2 days, i have started to realize that bad beats on stars are not uncommon on sngs/mtts. to prove this, in the past hour, i kept track of the number of bad beats/solid wins in an all-in-fest turbo sng. Out of the 27 hands i witnessed, i recorded 18 suck outs (9 being a 30-45%, while the rest being close to 20% or lower). also, i witnessed 3 quads in the same sng. as for me (trying to vent out some steam) my KK lost to q7 on the final table (12% chance of losing), right before the cash time while i was second chip lead vs chip lead. but overall, i also heard of some wisdom from another player a week ago. with online poker, players play MUCH more poker hands than in live games. when a favored player wins there all in, they dont mentally keep track of it as a big win, more as "just another win that i deserved". while when a favored player loses an all in, they get extremely frustrated and keep that loss in their mind/overemphasize on it. Link to post Share on other sites
aadams_22 3 Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 This is a serious question and in no way an attempt to flame Stars. Please keep that in mind when replying.One thing I've noticed is that when two players are all-in preflop, even if the one is dominated, the lessor hand usually wins. It seems close to 80% of the time. I just wrapped up a 180 SNG and most of the players that went out were busted when holding the best hand with all their chips in the pot, and opponents hit running cards or 2-4 outers to suck out. I posted this same question a month ago on another forum and I was somewhat surprised to hear how many people agreed that too many hands seem to be decided on the river, or lose to running cards. Is this something others agree with? I love Stars cash games but am seriously considering finding a new site specifically for non cash games.Any thoughts...serious ones. I would really like to see the numbers that back that up...lol. Seems like you are sour because you hit a few bad beats on the river and are convinced that it always happens. Link to post Share on other sites
GABMAD 0 Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 This is a serious question and in no way an attempt to flame Stars. Please keep that in mind when replying.One thing I've noticed is that when two players are all-in preflop, even if the one is dominated, the lessor hand usually wins. It seems close to 80% of the time. I just wrapped up a 180 SNG and most of the players that went out were busted when holding the best hand with all their chips in the pot, and opponents hit running cards or 2-4 outers to suck out. I posted this same question a month ago on another forum and I was somewhat surprised to hear how many people agreed that too many hands seem to be decided on the river, or lose to running cards. Is this something others agree with? I love Stars cash games but am seriously considering finding a new site specifically for non cash games.Any thoughts...serious ones. Any statistical proof or just observations? Your 'don't flame me comment' made me not flame you, otherwise I would of. Oh what the hell...quit crying cuz ur losing! Everytime there's an all in record ____vs____ and see how the long run works out...but here's a little insider information, IT'S NOT RIGGED, THEY HAVE NO INCENTIVE IN MAKING 1 PERSON WIN, YOU'RE ALL THE SAME TO THEM. Link to post Share on other sites
Money022 0 Posted February 24, 2007 Author Share Posted February 24, 2007 No, I don't have statistical proof, just my observations. I think I said it before, but I wasn't saying that I was losing left and right. I just observed that most players, other than me, went out when they were statistical favorites to win and often got beat when the odds were heavily with them. I understand that losses stick in a person's mind more than the times they win their coinflip.As far as hinting that the site is rigged, I wasn't. Especially in MTTs and SNGs. There would be absolutely no point. If nobody agrees then that's fine. I wasn't saying it was the absolute truth, I just wanted a comparison between Stars and other sites people played. If you feel that it's even then great, I have nothing more to ponder then. Thanks for all the lovely tin foil pictures though. They were nice. Link to post Share on other sites
GABMAD 0 Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 No, I don't have statistical proof, just my observations. I think I said it before, but I wasn't saying that I was losing left and right. I just observed that most players, other than me, went out when they were statistical favorites to win and often got beat when the odds were heavily with them. I understand that losses stick in a person's mind more than the times they win their coinflip.As far as hinting that the site is rigged, I wasn't. Especially in MTTs and SNGs. There would be absolutely no point. If nobody agrees then that's fine. I wasn't saying it was the absolute truth, I just wanted a comparison between Stars and other sites people played. If you feel that it's even then great, I have nothing more to ponder then. Thanks for all the lovely tin foil pictures though. They were nice.I realize I might of came off a little bit harsh in my post, I'm just annoyed by ppl who think that stars is rigged. There is zero incentive for them to do it and a WHOLE lot of risk. They make millions of dollars a month, would they risk that to get some action hands? no. As long as you're not drawing dead, you will win sometimes when you're behind, even way behind. Ya it might seem that KQ always beats A 10, but it's not true. The odds are pretty even, like 58/42 approximately, so it's no wonder KQ wins a lot. It's not a big underdog. And that's all I have to say. When you get a bad beat, just move on. It's not like I don't get bad beats, I just use common sense and realize that it's just not possible for stars to rig their hands. Link to post Share on other sites
Money022 0 Posted February 24, 2007 Author Share Posted February 24, 2007 I realize I might of came off a little bit harsh in my post, I'm just annoyed by ppl who think that stars is rigged. There is zero incentive for them to do it and a WHOLE lot of risk.Agreed. I understand that there is zero incentive for sites to rig their software, especially in a non-ring game. I've just played a few other sites and witnessed a lot less horrid beats on every player than the other sites I played. I just wanted to know if it was me, or if others noticed it too. Like I said before, I've posted this question on other forums and the others noticed the same trend as well. There are so many people on this forum that I thought I would offer myself to the Flame Gods and see what everyone thought. Link to post Share on other sites
seemorenuts 0 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 Sunday, Feb 18, 2007, 6am at Rama casino, at a 1/2 NL cash game, at the table, we were discussing various poker sites.Two friends (of each other) at the table told the story of how they observed (they were not playing) during a stars MTT that each and every hand with the exception of the one belonging to the player to the 'dealer's' right could be seen throughout the play each of several series of hands for about 5 minutes. They even called other friends to verify that others could observe this. There was no reason for us at the Rama table to think that these guys were pulling our legs. It happened about a month ago, I didn't press further for their names, etc. Yes, they did report it to pokerstars--no response yet. Feel free to email stars and see them deny it, or even deny reports of it!About a year ago, I was playing limit at Brantford (I may have posted this before) and some young normal guy said when stars just started he deposited $300US and was told repeatedly that they had no idea who he was and that there was no record of his deposit. He tried for over a year to get this money acknowledged to no avail. I can see glitches happening like this for any corporation on occasion, even honest ones.I have no account at stars and I have no reason to single them out for criticism. I'm just relaying what I think are probably truthful anecdotes.Personally, I think Daniel would be even more of a hero to poker players if he endorsed a rake free site such as worldpx.com.Think of it, rakefree poker for the whole planet, he could make that happen (and they'd pay him nicely, especially when it explodes to predominate).Don't brush off the old idea rakefree poker, exponential growth is deceptive--slow at first, and factor in chaos theory... lol.P.S. good news, so I am told, there will be more players at FCP due to new networks merging... Link to post Share on other sites
blakheart 3 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 Two friends (just of each other) at the table told the story of how they observed (they were not playing) during a stars MTT that each and every hand with the exception of the one belonging to the player to the 'dealer's' right could be seen throughout the play each of the hands for about 5 minutes. There was no reason for us at the table to think that these guys were pulling our legs. It happened about a month ago, I didn't press further for their names, etc. Yes, they did report it to pokerstars--no response yet. Feel free to email stars and see them deny it, or even deny reports of it!Dude- They were watching a replay of a MTT. The often show the replay of MTT's with hole cards exposed. If someone objects, their cards are not disclosed. Link to post Share on other sites
pezeveng 207 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 some guys on one of the forums did a statistical report on the whole 50/50 60/40 70/30 80/20 and 90/10 percentages. They checked out over a million hands played and the conclusion they came up with that in each group online hands led up with about the same average only when it came down to the 90/10 category the 10% was winning at a rate of 16%. I will try to find the article but than again who the hell believes what they read on the net. Link to post Share on other sites
seemorenuts 0 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 Dude- They were watching a replay of a MTT. The often show the replay of MTT's with hole cards exposed. If someone objects, their cards are not disclosed.That was the very first question we asked them, they were 100% sure it was a live tournament.Still, in the back of my mind your explanation is the default interpretation, but these guys just seemed to know about replays and swore it wasn't one. They seemed credible. Link to post Share on other sites
SSPadawon4 0 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 im going to have to agree. I was watching doublemeup. he lost to Q10 with QQ all in preflp J84 flop runner 10's. AK vs. AQ chop. and A6 vs. A3 guy made two pair. Later that night I played in the 18k guranteed. KK vs. 1010 guy went runner runner flush. Even Johnnybax is unlucky I watch one of his videos on pxfactor. 1010 vs. 77 guy made quads against him.Something fishy goingon there. Link to post Share on other sites
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