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[mhoward29 0]

Checky, though I'm disgusted by the idea of NL in general, the idea of a game where I can perform this far below expectation intrigues me. I mean...do you have any idea how hard I had to tilt to hit -400BB in LHE? I doubt any of you possess the ability to free yourself from years of practice enough to allow yourself to scratch your emotional itches that deeply. So I'm thinking I could blow through 3/4 of my bankroll without making any mistakes, next time, if I learn this game.

This is suuuuch a LHE C-thread post... lol. Hi Dutch!

[Tank4Daze 0]

I'm only speaking in terms of online roll. There are plenty of people who make insane amounts of money IRL through their job or even poker, but just suck online because they can't stick to BR management. Your friend is one of them.

on what info are u basing this?

[RDog 0]

We get it, your friend crushes. Somehow he is down money in TR and OPR but is somehow a huge winner online and has taken 50 into 20k at least 20 times. Can we move on from this?

[checkymcfold 0]

i'm actually curious if one of the hu guys would be willing to just kind of talk in general terms about how the game is approached, maybe contrasting it with the below, which is my basic summary of approaching hulhe (which, of course, i give unto the nl gods as the only sort of offering of which i'm capable):in hulhe, your main concern (barring the situation where you're playing a super obviously exploitable fish) is largely to remain balanced in such a way that your non-optimal and/or non-standard lines are concocted so as to be as little painful in terms of direct EV as possible. in english, this means that your #1 concern is to play in such a way that your ranges aren't so much polarized but rather merely split between the types of hands that your opponents should raise and the types of hands your opponents should call/fold were you playing with your cards face up. that is, it's better to bluff with a flush draw than it is with 5 high, etc, etc.the second, and it is a distant second, concern is that of leading your opponents to make mistakes from the standpoint of game-theory-optimal play. if you can do something ridiculous for one bet of pain, show it down, and cause your opponent to drastically alter a line away from something nearly optimal, much less for multiple instances, you've won. this is really only necessary when your opponents are game-theory-sound enough to be relatively unexploitable.only after that, assuming an obviously somewhat-competent player, ought one to take the direct exploitability of one's opponent into consideration.from my (limited) experience with nlhe, the large way in which the above differs from hunlhe is mostly that of focus--more specifically, whereas in hulhe, most of what you're doing is concerned is playing YOUR CARDS in such a way that your opponent is unable to exploit your tendencies, it seems that the mere multitude of variables in nlhe mean that hunlhe is going to pretty much always take the third concern above (the exploitability of your opponent and the way he plays HIS CARDS) and make it paramount. ist richtig?

[RDog 0]

Jamie, in my experience with the HU guys (except Jordan) you should be playing people that none of that matters against.

[checkymcfold 0]

Jamie, in my experience with the HU guys (except Jordan) you should be playing people that none of that matters against.

ok, so allow me to rephrase:HOW DO I RUN AT BETTER THAN 15 BI BELOW EXPECTATION VS FISH?

[RDog 0]

ok, so allow me to rephrase:HOW DO I RUN AT BETTER THAN 15 BI BELOW EXPECTATION VS FISH?

There you go, now we are talking. The answer is.......stay away from Cwik.

[mhoward29 0]

There you go, now we are talking. The answer is.......stay away from Cwik.

roflmao

[Tank4Daze 0]

We get it, your friend crushes. Somehow he is down money in TR and OPR but is somehow a huge winner online and has taken 50 into 20k at least 20 times. Can we move on from this?

whats your problem man? the guy made a comment to ME,and i responded by asking him how he can talk about someone hes never met or had any interactions with,and be so sure in his assumptions that they are presented as fact

[checkymcfold 0]

There you go, now we are talking. The answer is.......stay away from Cwik.

rest assured, i will take zach's crown before i quit this stupid game. i say this with as close to 100% certainty as is humanly possible.

[RDog 0]

whats your problem man? the guy made a comment to ME,and i responded by asking him how he can talk about someone hes never met or had any interactions with,and be so sure in his assumptions that they are presented as fact

I think you care waaaaaaaaaaaay too much what any of us think about your friend. Everything that people have said is said from lots of experience with similar people. Nothing against him specifically. You posting here isn't going to change anyone's mind, especially when some things that you are saying can be verified as true or false.

[AAsnake88 0]

whats your problem man? the guy made a comment to ME,and i responded by asking him how he can talk about someone hes never met or had any interactions with,and be so sure in his assumptions that they are presented as fact

http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...howtopic=133698pls

[checkymcfold 0]

Checky, though I'm disgusted by the idea of NL in general, the idea of a game where I can perform this far below expectation intrigues me. I mean...do you have any idea how hard I had to tilt to hit -400BB in LHE? I doubt any of you possess the ability to free yourself from years of practice enough to allow yourself to scratch your emotional itches that deeply. So I'm thinking I could blow through 3/4 of my bankroll without making any mistakes, next time, if I learn this game.

imo, at least, the tilt thing is probably ultimately more painful in lhe, but mostly because it's less noticeable. like, if you're convincing yourself that your opponents' ranges are wider than they actually are in lhe, you could conceivably go 20k hands without really noticing exactly where you're ****ing up (this is why i spent, honestly, 10-15 hrs a week JUST studying when i played lhe). in nlhe, however, your mistakes are kind of punctuated in such a way that when you screw up and it costs you money, it's really directly apparent to you, as long as you're studying enough.fwiw:my worst swong in HULHE was 50BB.my worst swong in 6m LHE was 450BB.my worst swong in fr LHE was 200BB.my worst swong in HUNLHE is was 12 bi, albeit over a very small sample, the beginning of which i don't think i was playing like a winner.my worst swong in 6max NLHE was 8bi, if i remember correctly. it's been a while there, too, and i'm sure the game's changed quite a bit since then.i never really played fr nlhe seriously, so i don't really have anything to say there.

[Tank4Daze 0]

I think you care waaaaaaaaaaaay too much what any of us think about your friend. Everything that people have said is said from lots of experience with similar people. Nothing against him specifically. You posting here isn't going to change anyone's mind, especially when some things that you are saying can be verified.

verify away sir,im sure u have all the variables needed to do that and i think ur waaaaaay off in ur read on me in general,and specifically in trying to change anyones mind about anything,i really could care less.which is why....TBH at this point i wish i wouldnt have said a word in either thread.but unfortunately i did,and mostly just to try and understand why assumptions and speculation are slung around like fact

[checkymcfold 0]

but unfortunately i did,and mostly just to try and understand why assumptions and speculation are slung around like fact

i'm pretty new here, but i'd just like to state my assumptions:1. your friend is gay.2. i'd hit it.3. he'd fake being uncomfortable, i'd fake being comfortable, and ironic hilarity would ensue.

[bull62 0]

rest assured, i will take zach's crown before i quit this stupid game. i say this with as close to 100% certainty as is humanly possible.

checky'd just doesn't have the same ring to it.

[Tank4Daze 0]

i'm pretty new here, but i'd just like to state my assumptions:1. your friend is gay.2. i'd hit it.3. he'd fake being uncomfortable, i'd fake being comfortable, and ironic hilarity would ensue.

POY?

[HighwayStar 8]

Is cwiked pronounced"see-wicked"or"quicked"

[Dirtydutch 8]

imo, at least, the tilt thing is probably ultimately more painful in lhe, but mostly because it's less noticeable. like, if you're convincing yourself that your opponents' ranges are wider than they actually are in lhe, you could conceivably go 20k hands without really noticing exactly where you're ****ing up (this is why i spent, honestly, 10-15 hrs a week JUST studying when i played lhe). in nlhe, however, your mistakes are kind of punctuated in such a way that when you screw up and it costs you money, it's really directly apparent to you, as long as you're studying enough.

Yeah, I this all makes sense. I'm still sorting out all the ways I've been ****ing myself up this year.

[bull62 0]

Is cwiked pronounced"see-wicked"or"quicked"

but i still say see-wicked.

[mhoward29 0]

Is cwiked pronounced"see-wicked"or"quicked"

imoalso, this thread is starting to mesh with the lhe thread with you three in here. If Dink posts in here, its over.

[Flushgarden 0]

My world is falling apart around me.

[HighwayStar 8]

imoalso, this thread is starting to mesh with the lhe thread with you three in here. If Dink posts in here, its over.

Not gonna happen.see-wick sounds better to me too

[The Lobster 0]

Not gonna happen.see-wick sounds better to me too

see wicksee wick runsee wick run many buyins under EV<3

[RDog 0]

imo, at least, the tilt thing is probably ultimately more painful in lhe, but mostly because it's less noticeable. like, if you're convincing yourself that your opponents' ranges are wider than they actually are in lhe, you could conceivably go 20k hands without really noticing exactly where you're ****ing up (this is why i spent, honestly, 10-15 hrs a week JUST studying when i played lhe). in nlhe, however, your mistakes are kind of punctuated in such a way that when you screw up and it costs you money, it's really directly apparent to you, as long as you're studying enough.fwiw:my worst swong in HULHE was 50BB.my worst swong in 6m LHE was 450BB.my worst swong in fr LHE was 200BB.my worst swong in HUNLHE is was 12 bi, albeit over a very small sample, the beginning of which i don't think i was playing like a winner.my worst swong in 6max NLHE was 8bi, if i remember correctly. it's been a while there, too, and i'm sure the game's changed quite a bit since then.i never really played fr nlhe seriously, so i don't really have anything to say there.

LOL, that is so hilarious to me. I downswing that much as I am logging on in the morning.