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[Snamuh 0]

I probably bet 80% of the time when I flop something big and am checked to. In retrospect I think I should have fired flop, but I remember thinking to myself to check that flop for a change of pace.So pretty much I can narrow his range there to something like 65 68 67 66 77?Maybe AA KK if he went passive on me?

Maybe. And sometimes there's no logic to people's actions. Just don't fold two card full houses at 25 NL.

[FARGOpokerND 22]

Maybe. And sometimes there's no logic to people's actions. Just don't fold two card full houses at 25 NL.

That's why I called...I guess I should have posted in original hand that I am more puzzled with assigning hand ranges there than me actually folding/calling.

[SlapStick 0]

That's why I called...I guess I should have posted in original hand that I am more puzzled with assigning hand ranges there than me actually folding/calling.

ditto

[gilbertology 0]

Hey, I have a question for the HU ppl here, I've been playing 90% HU .5/1 with a lil 1/2 and a few hands chasing a donk at 2/4 HU this January. I just bought HEM this past Sunday altho I had PT3 before that. Over 7k hands I am up $3600 in showdown winnings and my non showdown winnings are -$600, looks like a steady declining red line. I am +$120 over my all-in EV so I think I am running pretty normal.I think it's partly bec of my style, I don't usually bet the river with marginal hands when I think my opponent cannot call/has nothing like a missed draw. My reasoning is I think I will gain more information by seeing their cards, esp since I rarely play more than one table, and I don't think they pay much attention at these limits to what cards I show them. However, I do miss some thin and not so thin valuebets on the river, and turn, I think when my read is wrong. Is this indicative of some kind of leak that I should plug now, maybe fight for more pots/bluff more, or should I continue to stick with the style I feel comfortable with. I've watched some CR HU videos and gotten one lesson from Fluff during the summer which kinda opened my eyes to some important HU concepts I hadn't thought about but other than that I just play like I think I should be playing. So basically, in general in HU pokerz is it a problem having a steady negative non showdown winning line? I know the answer will likely be it depends, but I thought I'd ask anyway.

[gilbertology 0]

PS - Does anyone know in HEM how to see the stats of the last "x", say 300, hands on your opponent instead of all their hands you have logged in the database, which is the default?

[FARGOpokerND 22]

I just am having issues playing these nitty regs... another 19/14 regFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comHero (MP) ($37)CO ($13.55)Button ($11.50)SB ($26.65)BB ($25.55)UTG ($11.50)Preflop: Hero is MP with 10, 10UTG calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.10, 3 folds, BB calls $0.85, UTG calls $0.85Flop: ($3.40) 7, 3, 5(3 players)BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $2.75, BB raises to $6.75, 1 fold, Hero ???What do I do if i choose to call and he shoves a turn such as....5? club? Q?Should I 3bet/call the flop instead of flatting his bet?These spots vs the regs are just eating at me and I never feel fully confident in the plays I make in big pots.

[gilbertology 0]

I just am having issues playing these nitty regs... another 19/14 regFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comHero (MP) ($37)CO ($13.55)Button ($11.50)SB ($26.65)BB ($25.55)UTG ($11.50)Preflop: Hero is MP with 10, 10UTG calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.10, 3 folds, BB calls $0.85, UTG calls $0.85Flop: ($3.40) 7, 3, 5(3 players)BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $2.75, BB raises to $6.75, 1 fold, Hero ???What do I do if i choose to call and he shoves a turn such as....5? club? Q?Should I 3bet/call the flop instead of flatting his bet?These spots vs the regs are just eating at me and I never feel fully confident in the plays I make in big pots.

I'd muck it here. If you just call with the intention of jamming the turn, you have no idea what card you want to see if he is on a big draw like KQcc, or he could already have a set. I dunno, I think you are ahead of very few hands in his range here except 44/66.

[chgocubs99 0]

Naismith, who do you know of that has had their account frozen?

[Naismith 0]

Naismith, who do you know of that has had their account frozen?

I don't know of anyone personally. I only read a bunch of threads on 2+2. The good news is that the majority of the threads start with someone declaring absolute innocence, everyone on 2+2 getting up in arms about how evil FTP is in defense of the OP, some particularly sleuth-y 2+2ers discover info that the OP isn't admitting to from old posts they forgot they made, the tide starts to turn against the OP and then, inevitably, a FTP rep posts that the OP modified all the e-mails and hand histories and someone uncovers posts where the OP claims to own 27 accounts and a bot manufacturing factory.Unfortunately, a lot of innocent accounts were swept up in some of their security measures and had their accounts frozen during the investigation. While they eventually got their accounts back, the process was inconvenient and long and FTP's communication is horrible.Personally, I have no interest in going through that, so I have been keeping in contact with them about possible issues. Last week, they told me no TableRatings, this week it's one player to a hand. I always thought the online sites didn't have a one player to a hand rule, but that seems to be FTP's current stance.

[FARGOpokerND 22]

Played my new longest session ever today. It was really swongy. Last 2 hands pissed me off so I quit. KK<JJ AIPF K98QT then 65<A7dd all in on Ax-8d-7x-9d boardWould have made it a +4 buyin day.I guess I take what I get though!

[Suited_Up 2]

Hey, I have a question for the HU ppl here, I've been playing 90% HU .5/1 with a lil 1/2 and a few hands chasing a donk at 2/4 HU this January. I just bought HEM this past Sunday altho I had PT3 before that. Over 7k hands I am up $3600 in showdown winnings and my non showdown winnings are -$600, looks like a steady declining red line. I am +$120 over my all-in EV so I think I am running pretty normal.I think it's partly bec of my style, I don't usually bet the river with marginal hands when I think my opponent cannot call/has nothing like a missed draw. My reasoning is I think I will gain more information by seeing their cards, esp since I rarely play more than one table, and I don't think they pay much attention at these limits to what cards I show them. However, I do miss some thin and not so thin valuebets on the river, and turn, I think when my read is wrong. Is this indicative of some kind of leak that I should plug now, maybe fight for more pots/bluff more, or should I continue to stick with the style I feel comfortable with. I've watched some CR HU videos and gotten one lesson from Fluff during the summer which kinda opened my eyes to some important HU concepts I hadn't thought about but other than that I just play like I think I should be playing. So basically, in general in HU pokerz is it a problem having a steady negative non showdown winning line? I know the answer will likely be it depends, but I thought I'd ask anyway.

Sounds about the same as the way I play. When I was still playing on FTP before and could actually graph it, I had something similar to that but was eventually able to even the line out a bit more. (Not a huge sample, like 9k hands I think.) Pretty sure it's a matter of style, look at how different Matt and Tre's graphs are... but I would think keeping it close to even is a good goal.

[ChicagoMike22 0]

I apologize if this has been posted already. Please take the time to vote for US legalization of Online POker, it takes 90secs and can't hurt. The top idea right now is to increase funding for bullet trains. 2+2 Thread

Anyone who voted yesterday, How about vote again, Chicago style.

[RDog 0]

It worked Robby! I'm a badass!!!!Got 240,500 heading to tomorrow.. 120 paid like 300ish ppl left blinds going to 3k/6k/500Updates Here:http://borgatapoker.blogspot.com/

LOL. Good Luck.

[TeeSludge 0]

Sounds about the same as the way I play. When I was still playing on FTP before and could actually graph it, I had something similar to that but was eventually able to even the line out a bit more. (Not a huge sample, like 9k hands I think.) Pretty sure it's a matter of style, look at how different Matt and Tre's graphs are... but I would think keeping it close to even is a good goal.

I think something interesting to take in speaking specifically about mine and Matt's graphs is that our style is constantly changing and a lot of times our graphs are going to be reflective of what kind of opponents we get to play during a certain time period in the smaller scheme of things. Speaking just for my self, I know that the way my non sd vs sd looks over the past 100k hands is much different then the way it looks from the previous 100k hands. I'm pretty sure Matt's is a little different as well since he is now breaking even in sd pots (correct me if I'm wrong Matt). I think that Matt and I actually play a similar style and we think about things pretty much the same way for the most part. There is a pretty big difference in our VPIP and PFR I think now with mine being much higher. Bottom line is you should find a style that you feel comfortable with but you shouldn't just settle on that style. You need to play the style that fits best with how your opponent is playing and go from there, not come in to each match thinking this is the style I play.Here's the graphs to show you what I'm talking about: First 100kish handsNext 100k:

[empythree 0]

Would someone please tell me what my thinking should be here? Villain was short stacked earlier but stacked a few opponents. Villain is LAG type player.CO ($10)Button ($50.45)SB ($51)BB ($54.25)UTG ($7.25)UTG+1 ($50.25)MP1 ($9.25)Hero (MP2) ($105.85)Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K , A 3 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, 2 folds, SB calls $1.25, 1 foldFlop: ($3.50) 3 , 9 , 5 (2 players)SB checks, Hero bets $2.50, SB calls $2.50Turn: ($8.50) 10 (2 players) SB checks, Hero bets $5.50, SB raises to $12.50, Hero calls $7River: ($33.50) 9 (2 players)SB bets $34.50 (All-In), Hero ?

[mtdesmoines 3]

Would someone please tell me what my thinking should be here? Villain was short stacked earlier but stacked a few opponents. Villain is LAG type player.

I think you played it fine the whole way, absent the criticism that $10 NL villains, esp. shorties, aren't folding much, so maybe the cbetting flop isn't optimal for the level. I don't know that though. But I think the turn and river kind of play themselves.

[TrueAce13 18]

Would someone please tell me what my thinking should be here? Villain was short stacked earlier but stacked a few opponents. Villain is LAG type player.CO ($10)Button ($50.45)SB ($51)BB ($54.25)UTG ($7.25)UTG+1 ($50.25)MP1 ($9.25)Hero (MP2) ($105.85)Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K , A 3 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, 2 folds, SB calls $1.25, 1 foldFlop: ($3.50) 3 , 9 , 5 (2 players)SB checks, Hero bets $2.50, SB calls $2.50Turn: ($8.50) 10 (2 players) SB checks, Hero bets $5.50, SB raises to $12.50, Hero calls $7River: ($33.50) 9 (2 players)SB bets $34.50 (All-In), Hero ?

If your calling on the turn and hit the river, what do you think your play should be? I think his range is big enough that you don't have to worry about a boat, but I'm not 100% on it.

[fighter 4]

Funny to me that the guy who plays the least NLH is in the finals!

If you win both challenge thread sig contests you will have to put both brackets in your sig imo.

[RDog 0]

Villain is a 13/10/5 reg that I have 600 hands on. I tried to get a bit tricky as a change of pace, I usually play pretty fast against him in past.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comCO ($48)Hero (Button) ($31)SB ($19.30)BB ($27.65)UTG ($26.90)Preflop: Hero is Button with 3, 31 fold, CO raises to $1, Hero calls $1, 2 foldsFlop: ($2.35) 7, 6, 3(2 players)CO checks, Hero checksTurn: ($2.35) 6(2 players)CO checks, Hero bets $1, CO raises to $3.75, Hero calls $2.75River: ($9.85) 4(2 players)CO bets $43.25 (All-In), Hero ??

I have said this before but when you make inducing bets (like your turn bet here) your intention is to make them spazz out, when they do.....Having said that, I know you said you are getting tricky but this really isn't a spot to do it (and honestly no reason to get tricky at 25NL). Bet the flop, 3 bet the turn and snap the river.Edit: Also, you talked about putting him on a range. Of course sometimes you will be beat but with the way you played the hand he is never really expecting you to have a big hand. So I think you see overpairs here a lot and just crazy, stupid bluffs. I think his range is pretty wide here.

[Painter567 0]

If you win both challenge thread sig contests you will have to put both brackets in your sig imo.

Haha!I am in the finals in the LHE one (awaiting the winner of checky or MinhLyFan) and finals here against whatmediocreis....We'll see!Been a good run so far......

[Potsie P 0]

Haha!I am in the finals in the LHE one (awaiting the winner of checky or MinhLyFan) and finals here against whatmediocreis....We'll see!Been a good run so far......

I think you already saw whatmediocreis in our match...aaayyyeee.(*&$@#!)

[albertoflamingo 0]

I just am having issues playing these nitty regs... another 19/14 regFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comHero (MP) ($37)CO ($13.55)Button ($11.50)SB ($26.65)BB ($25.55)UTG ($11.50)Preflop: Hero is MP with 10, 10UTG calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.10, 3 folds, BB calls $0.85, UTG calls $0.85Flop: ($3.40) 7, 3, 5(3 players)BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $2.75, BB raises to $6.75, 1 fold, Hero ???What do I do if i choose to call and he shoves a turn such as....5? club? Q?Should I 3bet/call the flop instead of flatting his bet?These spots vs the regs are just eating at me and I never feel fully confident in the plays I make in big pots.

Pretty sure a reg here always has you beat with a set or at best you're flipping with a draw although regs at 25nl don't usually play naked flush draws that fast here. The key here is that the pot is multiway and a reg is never ever c/ring here light in a multiway pot. The regs at 25nl are usually pretty nitty and a good way of combating that is double barreling good cards and 3betting in position. However, don't give them action if they show strength. This hand is a good example of this, I think it's a pretty instamuck.

[Acid_Knight 2]

I think something interesting to take in speaking specifically about mine and Matt's graphs is that our style is constantly changing and a lot of times our graphs are going to be reflective of what kind of opponents we get to play during a certain time period in the smaller scheme of things. Speaking just for my self, I know that the way my non sd vs sd looks over the past 100k hands is much different then the way it looks from the previous 100k hands. I'm pretty sure Matt's is a little different as well since he is now breaking even in sd pots (correct me if I'm wrong Matt). I think that Matt and I actually play a similar style and we think about things pretty much the same way for the most part. There is a pretty big difference in our VPIP and PFR I think now with mine being much higher. Bottom line is you should find a style that you feel comfortable with but you shouldn't just settle on that style. You need to play the style that fits best with how your opponent is playing and go from there, not come in to each match thinking this is the style I play.Here's the graphs to show you what I'm talking about: First 100kish handsNext 100k:

Last year, I lost about $22,000 or something in showdown pots, while winning about $121,000 in non-showdown pots.I've tried to make concerted efforts lately to NOT lose money in SD pots because I figure that I can still win the other pots regardless and if I just do better at SD, it'll really help my bottom line. In the last 35k hands, I'm about breakeven at SD, which is an improvement from what I was doing before.

[Acid_Knight 2]

Guys, I e-mailed FTP regarding some security issues. Essentially, so many accounts are getting frozen for a variety of reasons, I wanted to be clear about sweat sessions and their stance on AIM.Here was my e-mail:"I have a couple of questions regarding Heads Up NL.If I hire a coach and he watches me play on, say, TeamViewer and suggests moves for me to make, but never controls my account, is that okay or against the rules?If I use AIM during play to discuss hands while playing heads up (so there's no possibility of collusion as there would be in 6m or full ring), is that okay?Thanks"Their response:"Thank you for contacting Full Tilt Poker Support.Unfortunately team play by any means on our site is prohibited. Therefore discussing hands on AIM or live coaching during play is not permitted.If there's anything else we can help you with, please feel free to ask. We're always here to help.Regards,AmaanPoker SpecialistFull Tilt Poker Support"

I feel that FTP would have a very difficult time determining whether live advice is being provided via AIM or Skype or something or whether you were simply chatting with people and using AIM and Skype as a means to discuss hands after they'd taken place, which would seem to be completely legal.I'm in no way saying that FTP won't ban people for using practices that they deem to be unethical, but I'm just saying that I think they'd have a hard time making a solid decision in this matter and I would hope that they'd leave HU players alone cause we can't collude, but I won't hold my breath for anything

[RDog 0]

Assuming it is different opponents what is the most tables of HU I should try to play?