bull62 0 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 Short afternoon session before going to work. Really nice start to the day. 2 bi below equity in 400 hands. Link to post Share on other sites
ah2388 0 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 kurt, without your "shot taking" youre up like 900 ish within less than 10k hands..thats a pretty sick winrate that i think most players would be happy with sustaining..The bottomline is, evenmore so than 6max...its very important to stay in emotional control of yourself or else you increase your risk of ruin dramatically. It's clear that your episodes of "monkey tilt" caused a significant loss financially and I'm sure they also had a significant impact on your emotional state when it comes to playing.Clean up, rebuild playing some short stackers at NL50 and then do it the right way. Link to post Share on other sites
bull62 0 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 I better run , I better take cover.I am heading to bed. 4 am saturday morning over here.Do women glow and men plunder? Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 I am not a stat expert, but in comparing yours to mine, this stood out the most.Okay, I *think* my VPIP is higher than most of the other people playing exclusively HU in this thread. Well, that is until now. I run at 51/46. 57/41 seems like a leak to me. I think I'd try to get the numbers a little closer together and both of them closer to 50. I think the majority of the HU specialists here are around 48/42.Also, I think you might be c-betting too much. I think this will fix itself as you'll pick up on when it's better to delay your c-bet or just let your opponent have the pot.That's helpful, thanks. I think I probably just flat call raises way too often, because in my mind, I know they're raising light, but I guess it doesn't matter that much since I still don't know what they have. Plus OOP is always bad. I hardly delay the c-bet because I figure if I'm doing it most of the time, then checking will look strange. I would guess most of the times when I'm not c-betting is when the flop is just so bad I probably have no hope even trying to take the pot. Though I guess when I put it like that, mixing it in with stronger hands would probably be good.What do you do with connectors, gappers, and hands like K5s or Q9 OOP to a raise? Link to post Share on other sites
ah2388 0 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 generally speaking your opponents at that level are thinking on level .1, not even close to where anyone in this thread is..if youre cbets are getting called a lot..its because droolers call cbets with overs etc..they are far less likely to do this with 1 card left to come than they are with 2....I was having a conversation with a friend this morning and the biggest thing that stuck with me was. At low limit HU, you just need to value bet thin, and not try to force your opponents to fold because they are not on a level where they are competent enough to do so. Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 kurt, without your "shot taking" youre up like 900 ish within less than 10k hands..thats a pretty sick winrate that i think most players would be happy with sustaining..The bottomline is, evenmore so than 6max...its very important to stay in emotional control of yourself or else you increase your risk of ruin dramatically. It's clear that your episodes of "monkey tilt" caused a significant loss financially and I'm sure they also had a significant impact on your emotional state when it comes to playing.Clean up, rebuild playing some short stackers at NL50 and then do it the right way.You're right, although I don't think of 100max as that much of a shot, and I was doing that a lot because of the rake at 50 being so ridiculous. Though BR wise it's a shot, but I started playing 50 with like 300, and ran it up to like 1400. So I didn't feel super uncomfortable playing 100 sometimes. The last part about playing shorstackers at 50 though... that's pretty much exactly how I started off... It just seemed to go bad at some point, and it seemed like either I was running into better players, or if I wasn't busting them pretty damn quickly, then I was just getting eaten alive by rake, because even when I do bust them, it doesn't make up the difference since they were sitting so short, and don't reload afterwards, they just leave. Probably need more patience in game selection, but man, it is seeming pretty difficult to find these retarded monkeys anymore. I'm really contemplating maybe putting money on AP instead. I hate to even say that, but I just see the same players on FTP day after day. Link to post Share on other sites
Naismith 0 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 That's helpful, thanks. I think I probably just flat call raises way too often, because in my mind, I know they're raising light, but I guess it doesn't matter that much since I still don't know what they have. Plus OOP is always bad. I hardly delay the c-bet because I figure if I'm doing it most of the time, then checking will look strange. I would guess most of the times when I'm not c-betting is when the flop is just so bad I probably have no hope even trying to take the pot. Though I guess when I put it like that, mixing it in with stronger hands would probably be good.What do you do with connectors, gappers, and hands like K5s or Q9 OOP to a raise?Check more often on flops. I mean, not a ton, just every so often. Check behind some top pairs every so often, too. Connectors - foldGappers - foldK5s - foldQ9 - fold Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 generally speaking your opponents at that level are thinking on level .1, not even close to where anyone in this thread is..if youre cbets are getting called a lot..its because droolers call cbets with overs etc..they are far less likely to do this with 1 card left to come than they are with 2....I was having a conversation with a friend this morning and the biggest thing that stuck with me was. At low limit HU, you just need to value bet thin, and not try to force your opponents to fold because they are not on a level where they are competent enough to do so.I'll tell ya what though... I'm pretty convinced I'm getting bluffed off hands way way too much. Seems that if I ever C-bet then check the turn, they're potting it every single time. But when I 2 or 3 barrel, they're calling me down anyway. Which is fine when I have a hand, but I am betting draws the same as made hands, and doing it with air also. Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 Check more often on flops. I mean, not a ton, just every so often. Check behind some top pairs every so often, too. Connectors - foldGappers - foldK5s - foldQ9 - foldWow, guess I found my leak.But you would raise them on the button probably? Link to post Share on other sites
Naismith 0 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 Wow, guess I found my leak.But you would raise them on the button probably?Yes, I raise them on the button.Also, I felt like your fold to 3bet% was too low, but when I looked, mine was the same. The majority of 3bets I'm calling, though, are ridiculous min 3bets where I open to 6 and they insta-make it 10. If you're calling a lot of "real" 3bets, that could be another leak. Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 Yes, I raise them on the button.Also, I felt like your fold to 3bet% was too low, but when I looked, mine was the same. The majority of 3bets I'm calling, though, are ridiculous min 3bets where I open to 6 and they insta-make it 10. If you're calling a lot of "real" 3bets, that could be another leak.I don't see a ton of big 3-bets. Not sure if 3x counts as a real one though.Usually I make it 1.50, they hit pot to 4.50. But I see plenty of those little ones too.Usually when I 3-bet myself, I make it 5. Link to post Share on other sites
Naismith 0 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 I don't see a ton of big 3-bets. Not sure if 3x counts as a real one though.Usually I make it 1.50, they hit pot to 4.50. But I see plenty of those little ones too.Usually when I 3-bet myself, I make it 5.You should be folding to the majority of those 3bets. Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 You should be folding to the majority of those 3bets.What's your calling range then?I think I probably called more based on the fact I had position.Though I really don't know how many of those are min raises or regular. Link to post Share on other sites
Naismith 0 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 What's your calling range then?I think I probably called more based on the fact I had position.Though I really don't know how many of those are min raises or regular.This is cliche, but the answer is, "it depends". It depends on the opponent, stack sizes, post-flop tendencies, etc.EDIT: I see Cwik is reading this thread. Maybe he can be more helpful with this question (and then you can do the opposite of what he says so you don't get Cwik'd). Link to post Share on other sites
JubilantLankyLad 1,957 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 Do women glow and men plunder?no, men chunder Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 "Good Talk" Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 This is cliche, but the answer is, "it depends". It depends on the opponent, stack sizes, post-flop tendencies, etc.EDIT: I see Cwik is reading this thread. Maybe he can be more helpful with this question (and then you can do the opposite of what he says so you don't get Cwik'd).LOL Link to post Share on other sites
bull62 0 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 I think I have a tilt problem. But its subtle and hard to recognize. It's not like I'm punching holes in the walls or anything. It seems like if I take a bad beat or two I become even more of a POW than usual. For instance, today, I raise an EP limper with AA. Limper calls, xxx flop. Limper leads, I raise, limper min-raises, I shove, limper has KK, river K. Shortly after I raise AK in MP, BB calls. Flop comes Kxx w/2 clubs. BB checks, I bet, BB calls, turn x, same action, river Xc. Limper shoves for $24. I'll fold this all day long when things are going well, but when they're not, well, I couldn't have gotten drawn out on again could I? Of course I could have. BB had K7cc. When I'm playing well, I think I'm folding almost all marginal spots. Advice??????? This is getting pretty ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites
Giggidy 0 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 I think I have a tilt problem. But its subtle and hard to recognize. It's not like I'm punching holes in the walls or anything. It seems like if I take a bad beat or two I become even more of a POW than usual. For instance, today, I raise an EP limper with AA. Limper calls, xxx flop. Limper leads, I raise, limper min-raises, I shove, limper has KK, river K. Shortly after I raise AK in MP, BB calls. Flop comes Kxx w/2 clubs. BB checks, I bet, BB calls, turn x, same action, river Xc. Limper shoves for $24. I'll fold this all day long when things are going well, but when they're not, well, I couldn't have gotten drawn out on again could I? Of course I could have. BB had K7cc. When I'm playing well, I think I'm folding almost all marginal spots. Advice??????? This is getting pretty ridiculous.fwiw I do the same, when i keep getting beats - it gets to the point where I refuse to believe that my good PP has got beat againonly thing that really works for me is to quit when I realize i'm doing it, have a day off or 2 and come back when i'm not tilted and wanting to play well"Good Talk"looooooool, I <3 Old School Link to post Share on other sites
bull62 0 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 I don't want to quit. I want to not do it. Link to post Share on other sites
cwik 0 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 This is cliche, but the answer is, "it depends". It depends on the opponent, stack sizes, post-flop tendencies, etc.EDIT: I see Cwik is reading this thread. Maybe he can be more helpful with this question (and then you can do the opposite of what he says so you don't get Cwik'd).I was gonna make some sorta "Don't listen to Naismith post..." but I think this is solid advice. Link to post Share on other sites
AAsnake88 0 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 I think I have a tilt problem. But its subtle and hard to recognize. It's not like I'm punching holes in the walls or anything. It seems like if I take a bad beat or two I become even more of a POW than usual. For instance, today, I raise an EP limper with AA. Limper calls, xxx flop. Limper leads, I raise, limper min-raises, I shove, limper has KK, river K. Shortly after I raise AK in MP, BB calls. Flop comes Kxx w/2 clubs. BB checks, I bet, BB calls, turn x, same action, river Xc. Limper shoves for $24. I'll fold this all day long when things are going well, but when they're not, well, I couldn't have gotten drawn out on again could I? Of course I could have. BB had K7cc. When I'm playing well, I think I'm folding almost all marginal spots. Advice??????? This is getting pretty ridiculous.I don't have any advice, as I'm guilty of tilting the exact same way.Actually, I do.Fold the river.Hopefully I'll take my own advice someday. Link to post Share on other sites
BSmitty23 0 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 What's your calling range then?I think I probably called more based on the fact I had position.Though I really don't know how many of those are min raises or regular.If someone is 3 betting liberally and way too often, I'll play hands like J8s, 78s and the like. A10 or better I'll call or 4 bet usually. I generally don't like to play hands like KJo or A7 in 3 bet pots because even if you hit, you really don't know where you stand when you're opponent keeps firing. Some people tend to get the idea that "I've got an Ace, I must be ahead of his range HU". I just find it easier to avoid those spots, and let him take my 3bb PF raise. But ya, these are generally the rules I follow, but sometimes Ill get crazy with 63s and get involved in hands I have no business in, stack a guy, and he proceeds to go on monkey tilt and lose 4 buyins. Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 If someone is 3 betting liberally and way too often, I'll play hands like J8s, 78s and the like. A10 or better I'll call or 4 bet usually. I generally don't like to play hands like KJo or A7 in 3 bet pots because even if you hit, you really don't know where you stand when you're opponent keeps firing. Some people tend to get the idea that "I've got an Ace, I must be ahead of his range HU". I just find it easier to avoid those spots, and let him take my 3bb PF raise. But ya, these are generally the rules I follow, but sometimes Ill get crazy with 63s and get involved in hands I have no business in, stack a guy, and he proceeds to go on monkey tilt and lose 4 buyins. That's been my MO basically. Except for the last part. They usually just leave instead. Link to post Share on other sites
NoSup4U 0 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 Dude, we discussed this yesterday. 100-200 hands. If you'd listen, you wouldn't have had that tedious 40 hand break even stretch at the end.I know, hilarious huh? When I'd been break even for a bit I thought to myself, "I must be over 200 hands now so I should quit" and sure enough...i was.Do women glow and men plunder?I thought women blow the men that plunder? Have I been singing it wrong?????Mark Link to post Share on other sites
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