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[FARGOpokerND 22]

I've found @ 25NL its popular for people to open for 4X - same questions?

FWIW 4x is the "standard" raise taught by most cardrunners players for use at that level and most levels beyond. 4x+1x for every limper.

[FARGOpokerND 22]

Here is my LOL hand of the day. Unconverted for chat.Full Tilt Poker Game #7696323045: Table Lone (heads up) - $0.25/$0.50 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 4:43:37 ET - 2008/08/18Seat 1: jpro89 ($39.50)Seat 2: PokerSweetie123 ($62.95)jpro89 posts the small blind of $0.25PokerSweetie123 posts the big blind of $0.50The button is in seat #1*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to PokerSweetie123 [4c 9s Ks 3c]jpro89 raises to $1.50PokerSweetie123 raises to $4.50jpro89 calls $3*** FLOP *** [7d 7c 7s]PokerSweetie123 checksjpro89 checks*** TURN *** [7d 7c 7s] [2s]PokerSweetie123 bets $5.50jpro89 has 15 seconds left to actjpro89 has requested TIMEjpro89: im calling u on riverjpro89: u have nothing obv.jpro89 calls $5.50*** RIVER *** [7d 7c 7s 2s] [3h]PokerSweetie123 has 15 seconds left to actPokerSweetie123 bets $14jpro89 foldsUncalled bet of $14 returned to PokerSweetie123PokerSweetie123 mucksPokerSweetie123 wins the pot ($19.50)*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $20 | Rake $0.50Board: [7d 7c 7s 2s 3h]Seat 1: jpro89 (small blind) folded on the RiverSeat 2: PokerSweetie123 (big blind) collected ($19.50), mucked

[Giggidy 0]

FWIW 4x is the "standard" raise taught by most cardrunners players for use at that level and most levels beyond. 4x+1x for every limper.

Cheers - I wondered if it was possibly a CR or 2+2 thing

[babylondonks 5]

I'm not even angry, the stakes are too small, but I think this is a pretty good string of bad beats to the same player.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (4 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)SB ($1.19)BB ($12.94)Hero ($5)Button ($10.63)Preflop: Hero is UTG with A , A . Hero raises to $0.08, Button calls $0.08, SB calls $0.07, 1 fold.Flop: ($0.26) 2 , 3 , 4 (3 players)SB checks, Hero bets $0.18, Button folds, SB calls $0.18.Turn: ($0.62) 6 (2 players)SB bets $0.93 (All-In), Hero calls $0.93.River: ($2.48) 6 (2 players, 1 all-in)Final Pot: $2.48Results in white below: SB has 8c 6h (three of a kind, sixes). Hero has Ac Ad (two pair, aces and sixes). Outcome: SB wins $2.48. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (4 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)Button ($2.38)SB ($12.92)Hero ($3.81)UTG ($10.55)Preflop: Hero is BB with J , A . 1 fold, Button raises to $0.1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.54, Button raises to $2.38, Hero calls $1.84.Flop: ($4.77) Q , 5 , 7 (2 players)Turn: ($4.77) 6 (2 players)River: ($4.77) 9 (2 players)Final Pot: $4.77Results in white below: Hero has Jh Ac (high card, ace). Button has 6d As (one pair, sixes). Outcome: Button wins $4.77. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)SB ($4.34)BB ($1)Hero ($6.44)MP ($2.24)CO ($1.17)Button ($10.92)Preflop: Hero is UTG with K , K . Hero raises to $0.08, 3 folds, SB raises to $0.18, BB raises to $1, Hero raises to $6.44, SB calls $4.16 (All-In).Flop: ($11.78) 9 , T , 9 (3 players, 1 all-in)Turn: ($11.78) J (3 players, 1 all-in)River: ($11.78) 2 (3 players, 1 all-in)Final Pot: $9.68Results in white below: SB has 9h 8c (three of a kind, nines). BB doesn't show. Hero has Kc Kd (two pair, kings and nines). Outcome: SB wins $3. Poker is a funny game somedays

[Snamuh 0]

My friend here just lost the following hand (obviously there's history with this spewtard). Unconverted because it's Cake, but nice river imo (he was INSTA-potting each street).Hand #1596011450000897: Seville (6-Max) 11450Seat 1: thes*** (201.65 in chips)Seat 2: mrti*** (199.60 in chips)Seat 8: disr*** (597.11 in chips)Seat 9: RegisPhilbin (771.55 in chips)Seat 10: boot*** (166.75 in chips)thes***: posts small blind $1mrti***: posts big blind $2Dealt to RegisPhilbin [ Ah 9h ]disr***: raises to $4RegisPhilbin: raises to $14boot***: foldsthes***: foldsmrti***: foldsdisr***: raises to $24RegisPhilbin: calls@@@ F_L_O_P @@@ [ Ac 4c 5d ]disr***: bets $51RegisPhilbin: calls# # # TURN # # # [ 4d ]disr***: bets $153RegisPhilbin: calls&&& RIVER &&& [ 3d ]disr***: is all in 369.1100RegisPhilbin: calls*** SHOW DOWN ***disr***: shows [ 2c 2d ] (Straight, Five high)RegisPhilbin: mucksdisr*** wins $1,195.22 with Straight, Five highRegisPhilbin: mucks [ Ah, 9h ] (TwoPair)

[ROBBBIGG 0]

I run good.PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $4 BB (5 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Button ($393.50)SB ($404.65)BB ($858.25)UTG ($141)Hero ($706.95)Preflop: Hero is MP with 8, Q, J, 8. 1 fold, Hero raises to $12, Button calls $12, SB calls $10, 1 fold.Flop: ($40) 7, 8, K(3 players)SB checks, Hero bets $30, Button calls $30, ROBBBIGG said, "are you gonna check raise murallin"ROBBBIGG said, "don't do it"ROBBBIGG said, "i'm super strong"murallin: folds.Turn: ($100) 6(2 players)Hero bets $98, Button raises to $351.5, Hero calls $253.50.River: ($803) 7(2 players)Final Pot: $803Results in white below: *** SHOW DOWN ***ROBBBIGG: shows [8h Qd Jh 8s] (a full house, Eights full of Sevens)AttyBubba: mucks hand ROBBBIGG collected $801 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $803 | Rake $2 Board [7h 8c Kh 6s 7s]Seat 2: AttyBubba (button) mucked [4h 9s Td Th]Seat 3: murallin (small blind) folded on the FlopSeat 4: zaphrail (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 5: 1972md folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: ROBBBIGG showed [8h Qd Jh 8s] and won ($801) with a full house, Eights full of SevensOutcome: Hero wins $803. Results:Omaha Hi: 40 enumerated boards containing 6s 8c Kh 7hcards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV9s Td Th 4h 24 60.00 16 40.00 0 0.00 0.6008s Qd Jh 8h 16 40.00 24 60.00 0 0.00 0.400

[ROBBBIGG 0]

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $4 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)CO ($1628.40)Button ($360.50)SB ($290.45)BB ($902.25)UTG ($80)Hero ($453.50)Preflop: Hero is MP with 9, A, 4, A. UTG calls $4, Hero raises to $16, 2 folds, SB calls $14, 1 fold, UTG raises to $68, Hero raises to $224, SB raises to $290.45, UTG calls $12 (All-In), Hero calls $66.45.Flop: ($664.90) 9, 8, 7(3 players, 1 all-in)Turn: ($664.90) 7(3 players, 1 all-in)River: ($664.90) 4(3 players, 1 all-in)Final Pot: $664.90Results in white below: SB has Jc Ac 3s 6c (one pair, sevens). UTG has 7d Ts 9s Ad (full house, sevens full of nines). Hero has 9d As 4d Ah (two pair, aces and sevens). Outcome: Hero wins $420.90. UTG wins $244. Thanks, small blind

[SlapStick 0]

My friend here just lost the following hand (obviously there's history with this spewtard). Unconverted because it's Cake, but nice river imo (he was INSTA-potting each street).Hand #1596011450000897: Seville (6-Max) 11450Seat 1: thes*** (201.65 in chips)Seat 2: mrti*** (199.60 in chips)Seat 8: disr*** (597.11 in chips)Seat 9: RegisPhilbin (771.55 in chips)Seat 10: boot*** (166.75 in chips)thes***: posts small blind $1mrti***: posts big blind $2Dealt to RegisPhilbin [ Ah 9h ]disr***: raises to $4RegisPhilbin: raises to $14boot***: foldsthes***: foldsmrti***: foldsdisr***: raises to $24RegisPhilbin: calls@@@ F_L_O_P @@@ [ Ac 4c 5d ]disr***: bets $51RegisPhilbin: calls# # # TURN # # # [ 4d ]disr***: bets $153RegisPhilbin: calls&&& RIVER &&& [ 3d ]disr***: is all in 369.1100RegisPhilbin: calls*** SHOW DOWN ***disr***: shows [ 2c 2d ] (Straight, Five high)RegisPhilbin: mucksdisr*** wins $1,195.22 with Straight, Five highRegisPhilbin: mucks [ Ah, 9h ] (TwoPair)

where do you get that history and you can convert into that site I've seen you use right?

[ROBBBIGG 0]

can we just stop converting our hands? i assume we can read raw hand histories

[Snamuh 0]

where do you get that history and you can convert into that site I've seen you use right?

In your hand history files in your Cake Poker folder.

[zimmer4141 0]

can we just stop converting our hands? i assume we can read raw hand histories

Way easier to read converted hands.I was all set to go to bed last night, then GrinderMJ texts me at 145 and I end up staying up til 5 degenning in the pit. Yay blackjack, screw Texas Holdem Bonus.

[ROBBBIGG 0]

Way easier to read converted hands.I was all set to go to bed last night, then GrinderMJ texts me at 145 and I end up staying up til 5 degenning in the pit. Yay blackjack, screw Texas Holdem Bonus.

it's easier to read but more annoying to post, but w/e - no big dealwhen you play blackjack, are you counting or just getting lucky

[TeeSludge 0]

Played another sesh, took another 6 buyins at $50. Now for something that may help me with my game. I'd say I play a pretty aggressive style, which I've been noticing has been starting my sessions off very poorly. It seems like every session I've played I start off down a buyin or 2, then end up winning it back and then some. Have any of you noticed something similar with your sessions? Is it really a leak if it gives you action later in the match? I'm pretty much referring to HU, as I don't play 6max at all really. Anyways, I guess I'm just looking for some other players perspectives on the tempo they shoot for at the start of a match.

As long as you get good info at the beginning of the match and aren't just randomly spewing just to spew then its no big deal. With most of the ppl you are going to be playing at lower limits (especially if you are game selecting well) you shouldn't have to play crazy to set up action later. Most of them are going to play bad and pay you off regardless so there is no sense trying to create action. Also, with the amount of hit and runs at HU it sucks to fire 3 barrells as a bluff in like the 3rd hand only to see them leave after the 5th hand.

[Sheiky 0]

I've found @ 25NL its popular for people to open for 4X - same questions?

Like everything else in poker, you just have to work out what the hell they're doing then at accordingly. If someone is opening 4x every time then basically play the same as you normally would if they were potting it. If a tight player mixes between the too, then raises 4x UTG, i'm inclined to think he's got a stronger range than usual, but again it's all about your reads on certain people and what their actions mean. One thing I would add is that as you're new to $25, don't be scared of 3-betting someone who opens to 4x because you're a bit uncomfortable with the money involved(Not saying you are, just that it happened to me a bit when I was playing under rolled)

[BSmitty23 0]

As long as you get good info at the beginning of the match and aren't just randomly spewing just to spew then its no big deal. With most of the ppl you are going to be playing at lower limits (especially if you are game selecting well) you shouldn't have to play crazy to set up action later. Most of them are going to play bad and pay you off regardless so there is no sense trying to create action. Also, with the amount of hit and runs at HU it sucks to fire 3 barrells as a bluff in like the 3rd hand only to see them leave after the 5th hand.

This is exactly why I asked my question. I guess I've been fortunate that I've been playing very long sessions vs my opponents. To be honest, nobody I've played so far at $50 has been very good. Even the multi tablers and full stacks are still slightly above average at best, and I actually find I've made the most money off these opponents because I can tell they probably do win against the short stackers and terrible players, and tilt easily when they aren't winning. But you're right, I really shouldn't need to play crazy to start the match as my opponents will probably become POW's anyway. Also, I've been anonymous railing most of the HU players in this thread, and I envy you all when you're playing 1/2 to 3/6 and people sit with their entire BR. It just seems like 2/4 and 3/6 is where people love to just spew the last of their BR.

[Giggidy 0]

One thing I would add is that as you're new to $25, don't be scared of 3-betting someone who opens to 4x because you're a bit uncomfortable with the money involved(Not saying you are, just that it happened to me a bit when I was playing under rolled)

I've not really had much cards to 3bet any of them yet, but I know what you mean - i'm used to the money change now, but still not venturing to a deep table yet, need to see if the shot can stick first

[donk4life 34]

Did I play this hand horribly? The reason I checked the flop was because I knew he'd fire out on the turn. I probably should have raised the turn. Villain is pretty fishy, but I have yet to see him get out of line.Edit: I should include that his PF range is quite wide. Easy fold on the river? Or am I giving him too much credit for a straight or set?Poker StarsNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $0.25/$0.502 playersConverterPre-flop: (2 players) Hero is SB with Hero raises to $1.5, BB calls.Flop: ($3, 2 players)BB checks, Hero checks.Turn: ($3, 2 players)BB bets $2.5, Hero calls.River: ($8, 2 players)BB bets $3.5, Hero raises to $9, BB raises all-in $35.7

[Naked_Cowboy 0]

Unloaded the clip. Still playing now can't write it out.

longest session ever? RESULTS ONE TIME SIR

[Giggidy 0]

nm

[SlapStick 0]

BET!

[Giggidy 0]

BET!

lol, ordinarily I would, but didn't wanna get blown off my hand - I did anyway, he raised big, I folded - think I played the whole hand badly wrt betting sizes"I play so bad, you win"/Durr

[SlapStick 0]

I have no idea how you could fold that, did I read wrong or did you have the nut flush draw aswell?

[Sheiky 0]

Did I play this hand horribly? The reason I checked the flop was because I knew he'd fire out on the turn. I probably should have raised the turn. Villain is pretty fishy, but I have yet to see him get out of line.Edit: I should include that his PF range is quite wide. Easy fold on the river? Or am I giving him too much credit for a straight or set?Poker StarsNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $0.25/$0.502 playersConverterPre-flop: (2 players) Hero is SB with Hero raises to $1.5, BB calls.Flop: ($3, 2 players)BB checks, Hero checks.Turn: ($3, 2 players)BB bets $2.5, Hero calls.River: ($8, 2 players)BB bets $3.5, Hero raises to $9, BB raises all-in $35.7

Meh it's HU so it's going to be 'it depends' Against someone decent you should you probably bet that flop most of the time because it's a great board to C-bet on and he should know that if you check the flop you're rarely folding to a turn bet. Against a fish I don't think its horribly played, but it's not something you should be doing a lot I think, especialy if there's any inclination he's prepared to make moves on dry flops like this one.Actualy I think you should raise the turn as well and hope he spazzes out with a draw or pair+gutter

[Giggidy 0]

I have no idea how you could fold that, did I read wrong or did you have the nut flush draw aswell?

*sigh*I timebanked whilst working out odds, didn't get back to it in time

[BSmitty23 0]

Did I play this hand horribly? The reason I checked the flop was because I knew he'd fire out on the turn. I probably should have raised the turn. Villain is pretty fishy, but I have yet to see him get out of line.Edit: I should include that his PF range is quite wide. Easy fold on the river? Or am I giving him too much credit for a straight or set?Poker StarsNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $0.25/$0.502 playersConverterPre-flop: (2 players) Hero is SB with Hero raises to $1.5, BB calls.Flop: ($3, 2 players)BB checks, Hero checks.Turn: ($3, 2 players)BB bets $2.5, Hero calls.River: ($8, 2 players)BB bets $3.5, Hero raises to $9, BB raises all-in $35.7

Thats a gross spot because I'm sure you were expecting him to call and show his A6 or something. I mean, he definately doesnt seem concerned about anything on that board, which means he most likely has a very strong hand. He has no idea what range to put you on, nor does he care. He seems to be valuebetting that river very thin expecting a call and 67 is definately part of his range to call OOP. That said, I don't think I'm good enough to fold that hand in that spot, and would most likely look him up, and ponder this hand for hours.