mln_falcon 0 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Could you explain what that means in further detail please?Just trying to improve my game. thank you basicly when you're 4bet by a player who the last time 4betted you they had aces, and your getting less than 5-1 implied on odds on a 8-1 chance of flopping a set, It's a pretty easy instamuck. When playing badly though, Jacks are a monster and so you call ready to stack of on a ten hi board I'm such a donk sometimes Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 0 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 basicly when you're 4bet by a player who the last time 4betted you they had aces, and your getting less than 5-1 implied on odds on a 8-1 chance of flopping a set, It's a pretty easy instamuck. When playing badly though, Jacks are a monster and so you call ready to stack of on a ten hi board I'm such a donk sometimesYou just know for certain that this time they have AK. Link to post Share on other sites
CBass1724 1 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Finally dug the hole and put the twigs and branches on top. It worked too, lol. I was in short for $240 and kept folding to this guy's reraises. So frustrating til now.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)SB ($469.75)BB ($260.30)UTG ($457)MP ($515)Hero ($207.30)Button ($400)Preflop: Hero is CO with Q, Q. UTG posts a blind of $4. MP raises to $8, Hero calls $8, Button raises to $36, 2 folds, MP calls $28, Hero raises to $215.3 (All-In), Button raises to $414.6, MP folds.Flop: ($472.60) 5, T, T(3 players, 1 all-in)Turn: ($472.60) 9(3 players, 1 all-in)River: ($472.60) 3(3 players, 1 all-in)Final Pot: $472.60Results Hero has Qc Qd (two pair, queens and tens). Button has Jd Jh (two pair, jacks and tens). Outcome: Hero wins $472.60. Button wins $199.30. Link to post Share on other sites
wsox8 10 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Finally dug the hole and put the twigs and branches on top. It worked too, lol. I was in short for $240 and kept folding to this guy's reraises. So frustrating til now.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)SB ($469.75)BB ($260.30)UTG ($457)MP ($515)Hero ($207.30)Button ($400)Preflop: Hero is CO with Q, Q. UTG posts a blind of $4. MP raises to $8, Hero calls $8, Button raises to $36, 2 folds, MP calls $28, Hero raises to $215.3 (All-In), Button raises to $414.6, MP folds.Flop: ($472.60) 5, T, T(3 players, 1 all-in)Turn: ($472.60) 9(3 players, 1 all-in)River: ($472.60) 3(3 players, 1 all-in)Final Pot: $472.60Results Hero has Qc Qd (two pair, queens and tens). Button has Jd Jh (two pair, jacks and tens). Outcome: Hero wins $472.60. Button wins $199.30.nice hand, seems like he could have folded jacks there. Link to post Share on other sites
CBass1724 1 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 nice hand, seems like he could have folded jacks there.The funny thing is the guy to his left said "standard" in the chat box after he raised to $36. He was doing this to everybody if there were 2-3 people in the pot who either limped or had called a raise. I thought I made a mistake when he raised all in to force the other guy out but his time clock went all the way down to like 4 seconds so he definitely took forever. I guess he didnt put me on anything that strong since I only called the min raise. I mean I suck, but I am not that bad and would definitely have JJ beat in that situation. Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 0 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 I really don't know if I would fold jacks there. It's just so difficult to imagine you having AA-QQ after just calling a minraise. I guess I would more expect to see TT or AK/AQ. Link to post Share on other sites
zimmer4141 0 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 I really don't know if I would fold jacks there. It's just so difficult to imagine you having AA-QQ after just calling a minraise. I guess I would more expect to see TT or AK/AQ.That's how the trap works so well often. There are tons of times where I've stacked off with JJ or QQ in that spot and I'm behind 95%. You think "he just called preflop, no wai he has a big pair" but if they're willing to 4-bet shove pf, they have a big hand 95%. Link to post Share on other sites
CBass1724 1 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 That's how the trap works so well often. There are tons of times where I've stacked off with JJ or QQ in that spot and I'm behind 95%. You think "he just called preflop, no wai he has a big pair" but if they're willing to 4-bet shove pf, they have a big hand 95%.Exactly. I was just fortunate enough that he re-raised when I felt that 99% of the time in that situation he would. If he didn't and just folded/called, then I would have to proceed carefully after the flop and probably kick myself for not re-raising in the first place, while losing my $8. Link to post Share on other sites
zimmer4141 0 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 I don't mind calling behind preflop with AA-QQ, I think it's a good play to make to mix up your game and to trap opponents. Link to post Share on other sites
zimmer4141 0 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 EwwwwwwwwFull Tilt PokerNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $2/$45 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $681.80CO: $201.40Button: $35.60SB: $510.55Zimmer: $414Pre-flop: (5 players) Zimmer is BB with Q 8 3 folds, SB calls, Zimmer checks.Flop: 5 8 4 ($8, 2 players)SB bets $8, Zimmer raises to $28, SB calls.Turn: Q ($64, 2 players)SB bets $64, Zimmer raises to $195, SB raises all-in $478.55, Zimmer calls all-in $187.Uncalled bets: $96.55 returned to SB.River: 7 ($828, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $828)Results:Final pot: $828SB showed 6d 3cZimmer showed Qd 8c Link to post Share on other sites
zimmer4141 0 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 This helps, especially 150bb deep. I know I'll get some flack for how I played this, but the guy was overaggressive in a lot of pots, but I don't think he was gonna stack off with AK on the turn.Full Tilt PokerNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $2/$46 playersConverterStack sizes:Zimmer: $1125.20UTG+1: $350.30CO: $577.90Button: $533.50SB: $408BB: $141.80Pre-flop: (6 players) Zimmer is UTG with Q Q Zimmer raises to $14, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds.Flop: 2 3 Q ($46, 3 players)SB checks, Zimmer checks, CO checks.Turn: K ($46, 3 players)SB checks, Zimmer bets $36, CO raises to $154, SB folds, Zimmer calls.River: 6 ($354, 2 players)Zimmer checks, CO bets $408, Zimmer raises to $816, CO calls all-in $1.9.Uncalled bets: $406.1 returned to Zimmer. Results:Final pot: $1173.8Zimmer showed Qc QsCO mucks 2s 2h Link to post Share on other sites
TB17 0 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 lol I love how u raised to get that extra $1.9I played some hands really badly today and I'm down a bit, will post soon enouhg Link to post Share on other sites
NoSup4U 0 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 I"m down 6 buyins at 2/4NL today.Mark Link to post Share on other sites
zimmer4141 0 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Mark, I think we might run in opposites or something like that. I just had a +$1700 swing in the span of a few minutes. That set over set hand plus AA over KK for 100bb helped a lot. +$1400 on the day so far. Link to post Share on other sites
NoSup4U 0 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 My day in a nutshell:PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)saw flop|saw showdownCO ($52.10)NoSup4U ($398.50)SB ($295.60)BB ($438.30)UTG ($100.70)MP ($468)Preflop: NoSup4U is Button with 3, 4. UTG calls $4, MP calls $4, 1 fold, NoSup4U calls $4, SB completes, BB checks.Flop: ($20) 7, 5, 6(5 players)SB bets $4, BB folds, UTG folds, MP raises to $16, NoSup4U calls $16, SB folds.Turn: ($56) 2(2 players)MP bets $32, NoSup4U raises to $104, MP calls $72.River: ($264) A(2 players)MP checks, NoSup4U bets $274.5 (All-In), MP calls $274.50.Final Pot: $813Results in white below: MP has 4h 8h (straight, eight high). NoSup4U has 3s 4s (straight, seven high). Outcome: MP wins $813. Can't crawl back. Down 5 buyins stillMark Link to post Share on other sites
cwik 0 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Mark, I think we might run in opposites or something like that. I just had a +$1700 swing in the span of a few minutes. That set over set hand plus AA over KK for 100bb helped a lot. +$1400 on the day so far.If true, mark you might wanna put a hit out on zimmer. Link to post Share on other sites
Snamuh 0 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 This was fun. Although my day wasnt. (From up 1.5 buy-ins to down 1.5 buy-ins to even)PokerStars Game #11097560581: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/07/23 - 18:57:55 (ET)Table 'Cetacea' 9-max Seat #9 is the buttonSeat 1: ryanDboy ($24 in chips) Seat 2: TR0J ($96.95 in chips) Seat 3: eYeLovErAgS ($58.30 in chips) Seat 4: Snamuh ($52.80 in chips) Seat 5: Onlyann ($56 in chips) Seat 6: yojorge ($64.25 in chips) Seat 7: paw012 ($53.15 in chips) Seat 9: spoonitnow ($52 in chips) ryanDboy: posts small blind $0.25TR0J: posts big blind $0.50*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Snamuh [6c 6d]SLONKEYDONG joins the table at seat #8 eYeLovErAgS: raises $1.50 to $2Snamuh: calls $2Onlyann: folds yojorge: folds paw012: folds spoonitnow: folds ryanDboy: folds TR0J: folds *** FLOP *** [As 6h 6s]eYeLovErAgS: checks Snamuh: bets $3eYeLovErAgS: raises $4.50 to $7.50Snamuh: calls $4.50*** TURN *** [As 6h 6s] [8s]eYeLovErAgS: bets $12Snamuh: calls $12*** RIVER *** [As 6h 6s 8s] [5s]eYeLovErAgS: bets $12Snamuh: raises $19.30 to $31.30 and is all-ineYeLovErAgS: calls $19.30*** SHOW DOWN ***Snamuh: shows [6c 6d] (four of a kind, Sixes)eYeLovErAgS: mucks hand Snamuh collected $103.35 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $106.35 | Rake $3 Board [As 6h 6s 8s 5s]Seat 1: ryanDboy (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 2: TR0J (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 3: eYeLovErAgS mucked [Ah Kc]Seat 4: Snamuh showed [6c 6d] and won ($103.35) with four of a kind, SixesSeat 5: Onlyann folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: yojorge folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: paw012 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: spoonitnow (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Link to post Share on other sites
NoSup4U 0 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Standard call behind with gutter????? Seriously. At least he didn't bet river, I should look on the bright side I guess.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)saw flop|saw showdownBB ($186.10)NoSup4U ($404.80)MP ($576.50)Button ($460.15)SB ($113.75)Preflop: NoSup4U is UTG with 8, 8. NoSup4U raises to $12, MP calls $12, 2 folds, BB calls $8.Flop: ($38) 7, 9, 5(3 players)BB bets $16, NoSup4U calls $16, MP calls $16.Turn: ($86) 8(3 players)BB checks, NoSup4U checks, MP bets $108, BB folds, NoSup4U calls $108.River: ($302) A(2 players)NoSup4U checks, MP checks.Final Pot: $302Results in white below: NoSup4U has 8c 8h (three of a kind, eights). MP has Ad 6c (straight, nine high). Outcome: MP wins $302. Mark Link to post Share on other sites
NoSup4U 0 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 And just now this beauty:PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)saw flop|saw showdownBB ($80)NoSup4U ($1304.85)MP ($404)Button ($499)SB ($866.80)Preflop: NoSup4U is UTG with K, K. NoSup4U raises to $12, 1 fold, Button raises to $48, 2 folds, NoSup4U raises to $212, Button raises to $499, NoSup4U calls $287.Flop: ($1004) Q, A, Q(2 players)Turn: ($1004) T(2 players)River: ($1004) 6(2 players)Final Pot: $1004Results in white below: NoSup4U has Kh Kc (two pair, kings and queens). Button has As Qs (full house, queens full of aces). Outcome: Button wins $1004. Mark Link to post Share on other sites
NoSup4U 0 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 And I think this beauty will end my day. Notice the stellar flop for me:PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)saw flop|saw showdownMP ($74)NoSup4U ($755.85)Button ($398)SB ($392)BB ($1033)UTG ($890.90)Preflop: NoSup4U is CO with K, A. 1 fold, MP calls $4, NoSup4U raises to $16, 3 folds, MP raises to $74, NoSup4U calls $58.Flop: ($154) A, T, 7(2 players)Turn: ($154) K(2 players)River: ($154) J(2 players)Final Pot: $154Results in white below: MP has Jd Js (three of a kind, jacks). NoSup4U has Ks As (two pair, aces and kings). Outcome: MP wins $154. Down 7 buyins ($2800) on the day. I have $4400 left in my account where I redeposited $10K 2 days ago. If I lose it, I'm quitting poker :(Mark Link to post Share on other sites
NoSup4U 0 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Since I"m bitching, here are a few more I loved:PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)saw flop|saw showdownNoSup4U ($432)BB ($410)UTG ($400)MP ($432)CO ($618.60)Button ($82)Preflop: NoSup4U is SB with A, 4. 2 folds, CO raises to $14, 1 fold, NoSup4U raises to $48, 1 fold, CO calls $34.Flop: ($100) 8, 2, 9(2 players)NoSup4U bets $55, CO raises to $570.6, NoSup4U calls $329 (All-In).Turn: ($868) 4(2 players, 1 all-in)River: ($868) 8(2 players, 1 all-in)Final Pot: $868Results in white below: NoSup4U has Ad 4d (flush, ace high). CO has 9c 9h (full house, nines full of eights). Outcome: CO wins $1054.60. Link to post Share on other sites
NoSup4U 0 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 This one was funny just cause I decided to shove a draw on a good flop for it, and obv he has a hand that not only has be destroyed worse than an overpair, but he has way too many outs to fold:PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)saw flop|saw showdownBB ($47.85)NoSup4U ($408)MP ($265.20)CO ($438.70)Button ($666.65)SB ($601.40)Preflop: NoSup4U is UTG with 3, 5. NoSup4U raises to $12, 1 fold, CO raises to $48, 3 folds, NoSup4U calls $36.Flop: ($102) 8, Q, 2(2 players)NoSup4U checks, CO bets $70, NoSup4U raises to $200, CO raises to $390.7, NoSup4U calls $160 (All-In).Turn: ($822) J(2 players, 1 all-in)River: ($822) 8(2 players, 1 all-in)Final Pot: $822Results in white below: NoSup4U has 3s 5s (one pair, eights). CO has Ts Js (two pair, jacks and eights). Outcome: CO wins $852.70. Link to post Share on other sites
NoSup4U 0 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Stellar stackoff by me vs a 17/14 nit. Obv I'm beat but don't fold:PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)saw flop|saw showdownNoSup4U ($586.30)BB ($454.60)UTG ($207.75)MP ($453)CO ($522.30)Button ($360.60)Preflop: NoSup4U is SB with J, J. 1 fold, MP raises to $14, 2 folds, NoSup4U calls $12, BB calls $10.Flop: ($42) 2, 7, 2(3 players)NoSup4U checks, BB checks, MP bets $30, NoSup4U calls $30, BB folds.Turn: ($102) 8(2 players)NoSup4U checks, MP bets $88, NoSup4U calls $88.River: ($278) 3(2 players)NoSup4U checks, MP bets $321 (All-In), NoSup4U calls $321.Final Pot: $920Results in white below: NoSup4U has Jh Js (two pair, jacks and twos). MP has Kd Kc (two pair, kings and twos). Outcome: MP wins $920. Link to post Share on other sites
cubsfan44 0 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Some sick hands there Mark. Stick with it youll come out of it soon and hopefully be a better player because of it. Link to post Share on other sites
NoSup4U 0 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Some sick hands there Mark. Stick with it youll come out of it soon and hopefully be a better player because of it.I'm trying, its just getting hard. I can't even put together a winning day anymore. If I lose this last $4400 I honestly don't know what I'll do.Also, I was running at 19/14 by the end of my session today. So I'm back to playing how I used to, and still no luck today.Mark Link to post Share on other sites
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