KHSPoker21 0 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 +3 Link to post Share on other sites
BSmitty23 0 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Blah, hopefully some people had a good day today!Hmm, this is differentEDIT - I updated the JPEG to reflect my last sesh. Its no longer a blah day, but it is still different for me Link to post Share on other sites
IQCrash 1 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 The answer to this is shove imo. If Villian B is such a nit that he only ever min raises with a set, you are almost still making a good play from the $224 dead money in the pot. Your risking 312 to win 526 which is $25 dollars short of the actual odds you need to just draw. If you have fold equity here at all or the villian has a weaker range then this is a good play. If we're flipping coins for lots of dead money, that's great. However, there are some uglier scenarios where they have larger flush draws. If the King was the heart and the 3 was the spade, that'd be more helpful.Basically, in the actual, I think folding or shoving aren't too far from each other. Just depends on if you want to fire up your variance.I think Villain A has to have a minimum of a NFD, TPTK, or AA to lead into the two of us with a nearly pot sized bet. Like I said, neither one of em gets very far out of line.Villain B, I felt, could be minraising with the FD or a set - both are in his range for his flat-flat from the CO.Villain A is more than likely dumping his entire range with the exception of a set and maybe the NFD to the minraise from the CO and my shove. Villain B I don't think is ever folding.I agree that this would be an easy shove if the 3 was a spade, but considering we have two fit or folds firing into us, how often do we think we're up against a better flush draw?And who else agrees with Cobalt that shoving and folding are nearly equal in this spot? That was my feeling too, btw, during the hand - but I wanted some confirmation that was indeed a flip whether to shove or fold. Link to post Share on other sites
Merby 3 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 And who else agrees with Cobalt that shoving and folding are nearly equal in this spot?MeIf it's early in a session, I tend to shove because I love what it does for my image for the players who can't get past the fact that I cold-3-bet all in with 6-high. If it's late in a session, then I will sometimes fold because I am wrapping up my day and am not looking for some high variance situations... Link to post Share on other sites
cwik 0 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 I have played some unbelievable bad players today and some how I am stuck money. +1 Sounds like my day, workin on changing it thoughI don't think you guys understand here. Don't click on any of these if you aren't ready to LOL.http://www.pokerhand.org/?3873894 - he was tilting a bit.http://www.pokerhand.org/?3873998 - value town.http://www.pokerhand.org/?3873910 - sigh.http://www.pokerhand.org/?3873979 - you totally got there, sir.http://www.pokerhand.org/?3873977 - I guess you did have a draw to the nuts.http://www.pokerhand.org/?3874119 - I'm pretty sure I'm supposed to be behind here.http://www.pokerhand.org/?3874142 - he snap called.http://www.pokerhand.org/?3874169 - but he didn't really wanna hold onto the money. Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 And who else agrees with Cobalt that shoving and folding are nearly equal in this spot? That was my feeling too, btw, during the hand - but I wanted some confirmation that was indeed a flip whether to shove or fold.Well, if you take AK out of their ranges, things start to look grim at 25%. equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 24.654% 24.65% 00.00% 43190 0.00 { 6s4s }Hand 1: 37.673% 37.67% 00.00% 65990 6.00 { KK, 55, 33, AsQs, AsJs, AsTs, As9s, As8s, As7s, As6s, As3s, As2s }Hand 2: 37.673% 37.67% 00.00% 65990 6.00 { KK, 55, 33, AsQs, AsJs, AsTs, As9s, As8s, As7s, As6s, As3s, As2s }Looks like we're risking $312 to win $741...so 2.375-1...we need 29.6% to break even. If we assume that the donkbettor has AA/AK some of the time and will fold, that'll help a bit. But yeah, if he doesn't have those hands and is never folding, it's a fold...but just marginally.Does Commerce still have the really awful small max buyin thing? That'd further influence me to fold. Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 I don't think you guys understand here. Don't click on any of these if you aren't ready to LOL.http://www.pokerhand.org/?3873894 - he was tilting a bit.http://www.pokerhand.org/?3873998 - value town.http://www.pokerhand.org/?3873910 - sigh.http://www.pokerhand.org/?3873979 - you totally got there, sir.http://www.pokerhand.org/?3873977 - I guess you did have a draw to the nuts.http://www.pokerhand.org/?3874119 - I'm pretty sure I'm supposed to be behind here.http://www.pokerhand.org/?3874142 - he snap called.http://www.pokerhand.org/?3874169 - but he didn't really wanna hold onto the money.Those are hilaribad. Link to post Share on other sites
IQCrash 1 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Does Commerce still have the really awful small max buyin thing? That'd further influence me to fold.What's the really awful small max buyin thing? This was at 100NL. We were all a few buyins deep as it was the tail end of a session. Blinds are 2/3 at 100NL which is a little ridiculous, but the games are so soft you can't really complain. Link to post Share on other sites
BSmitty23 0 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 I don't think you guys understand here. Don't click on any of these if you aren't ready to LOL.http://www.pokerhand.org/?3873894 - he was tilting a bit.http://www.pokerhand.org/?3873998 - value town.http://www.pokerhand.org/?3873910 - sigh.http://www.pokerhand.org/?3873979 - you totally got there, sir.http://www.pokerhand.org/?3873977 - I guess you did have a draw to the nuts.http://www.pokerhand.org/?3874119 - I'm pretty sure I'm supposed to be behind here.http://www.pokerhand.org/?3874142 - he snap called.http://www.pokerhand.org/?3874169 - but he didn't really wanna hold onto the money.VNVN, post the garf! Link to post Share on other sites
cwik 0 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 VNVN, post the garf!It is not that interesting because the order the hands came out. What is interesting is how I'm not up like $2k right now. Also, I'm running OVER EV. Just a LOL day. Link to post Share on other sites
whatgreatis 0 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Also, I'm running OVER EV. Just a LOL day.lol! I titled my earlier graph "2-17 lolsesh" Link to post Share on other sites
NoSup4U 0 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Cobalt, Commerce now has they lol40%maxbuyins, but they also now have a $1500 max buyin 5/10nl game. So that game rocks, but $400 max 5/10nl and all the others below that are still silly.Mark Link to post Share on other sites
BSmitty23 0 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 It is not that interesting because the order the hands came out. What is interesting is how I'm not up like $2k right now. Also, I'm running OVER EV. Just a LOL day.Lotsa swongs though! Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 So I played live today at the Shoe... might try for the freeroll thing they're doing... (99 with the most hours get into a 100k freeroll)Anyway...I get it in 3 ways preflop. Dude raises to probably 12, I make it like 30, Shorty shoves for like 37 or so probably.... Other dude reshoves for like 75, folds to me, so I call with my AA.I say, "I've got Aces" Reshover says, "So do I"..... Shorstack turns up 10s4s. Flop is 10-4-x, turn 4. Nice life.To be fair though, he'd been getting crushed till this point, but it's not hard to see why I guess.I made like $127 overall at 1/2. A win is a win. But WTF! Link to post Share on other sites
RDog 0 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 I can confirm that the Featured Member curse is actually true. And I am starting to believe in the Cashout curse as well. Both together are a little too much to handle at once. Link to post Share on other sites
cwik 0 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 I can confirm that the Featured Member curse is actually true. And I am starting to believe in the Cashout curse as well. Both together are a little too much to handle at once.LOL. I'd so go busto if I was ever feature member. Link to post Share on other sites
NoSup4U 0 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 I can confirm that the Featured Member curse is actually true. And I am starting to believe in the Cashout curse as well. Both together are a little too much to handle at once.You know I've been out of it this month when I have absolutely NO recollection of noticing this. Congrats Rdoggity!!! I mean, except for the part where you get cursed by it.Mark Link to post Share on other sites
RDog 0 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 LOL. I'd so go busto if I was ever feature member.I will be playing .05/.10 by Thursday. Link to post Share on other sites
RDog 0 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 You know I've been out of it this month when I have absolutely NO recollection of noticing this. Congrats Rdoggity!!! I mean, except for the part where you get cursed by it.MarkThanks..........except the part that is going to make me busto.Edit: Should probably start taking applications for a staker. Link to post Share on other sites
therescav 0 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Thanks..........except the part that is going to make me busto.Edit: Should probably start taking applications for a staker.Keep your head up please. Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 What's the really awful small max buyin thing? This was at 100NL. We were all a few buyins deep as it was the tail end of a session. Blinds are 2/3 at 100NL which is a little ridiculous, but the games are so soft you can't really complain.That's what I was talking about. Once you build a good/"normal" stack, it's not really worth flipping for it...since you'd have to start back over at 100 and might impair your earn in future hands. Link to post Share on other sites
checkymcfold 0 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 6bi below ev today and somewhere around 13-14bi below ev since i started this godforesaken game. fuck bet sliders.anyone who wants to get high, come on over. i'll be in a blanket, rocking crazily slowly, humming row, row, row your boat in b-minor, and nursing the bong. feel free to join me. Link to post Share on other sites
whatgreatis 0 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 anyone who wants to get high, come on over.I'll see you in a few. Link to post Share on other sites
FARGOpokerND 22 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 I'll see you in a few.You text me that you miss me but you never come on AIM to talk.It is over between us. Link to post Share on other sites
therescav 0 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 You text me that you miss me but you never come on AIM to talk.It is over between us.BBFIDTS Link to post Share on other sites
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