Jordan 1 Posted November 29, 2008 Share Posted November 29, 2008 Results aside, I'm not a fan of the 4bet size. However, BB's shove is just atrocious.was gonna say this too but im lazy Link to post Share on other sites
king1305 0 Posted November 29, 2008 Share Posted November 29, 2008 was gonna say this too but im lazyYou have 1,999 posts in this thread, make the next one magical! Link to post Share on other sites
Jordan 1 Posted November 29, 2008 Share Posted November 29, 2008 I'm thinking bout doing some coaching in December. If anyone is interested please just PM me. I'm going to talk with Trevor about what he kinda does, and try and model what he does with my own twist, if you will.Also, I should say I'm just assuming tre is cool with this, but I in know way am trying to 'steal action', this is more of something that I want to do to help me get more motivated to play myself for the month.So, again, just pm me. And if tre doesn't wanna talk with me about his approach, then that's fine, i think i can make a pretty solid game plan on my own....we are just BFFs, obv!- Jordan Link to post Share on other sites
Jordan 1 Posted November 29, 2008 Share Posted November 29, 2008 Should briefly mentioned, be best if you are wanting to improve at your NLHE HU game. I play 6m, but not nearly as much as HU...so while I would work with you at 6m and chit, I personally prefer playing HU, so I feel i'm best versed in that format.I also wouldn't be surprised if I got invested in someone and wanted to stake them down the line, but please don't make that ur reason for wanting coaching as it's nothing guarenteed, it's more or less just something I would think would naturally come up with a student yada yada yada. Obviously, i prefer you have a decent solid roll so you can actually pay for my time (not to sound like a douche, just you know...it's not free -- but i wont be charging my hourly rate, so...anyway just pm me).Anyways, that's all.- Jordan Link to post Share on other sites
nutzbuster 7 Posted November 29, 2008 Share Posted November 29, 2008 YOU TOLD ME IT WAS QUAD JACKS.lol. Sorry A. It was queens. I caught a cold last night...bad sore throat etc. that's my excuse. I guess there was a price to pay after all.As I was racking up a reg. grinder sat down, aggro clown. I got pocket queens again and min raised ($15) knowing he would raise, or call minimum. He raised to 45. I called. flop 7-6-Q, lol. RB, so I check, he fires 100. I call. turn brought a flush draw and a possible made straight. I bet 100, he insta folds, must have thought I hit something, meh? I ws happy the hand ended there, SO often I lose a big one while racking out.Queens have been my friend lately, have made quads with them several time, very strange in live sessions, imo.Run well everyone. Link to post Share on other sites
GrinderMJ 0 Posted November 29, 2008 Share Posted November 29, 2008 lol. Sorry A. It was queens. I caught a cold last night...bad sore throat etc. that's my excuse. I guess there was a price to pay after all.As I was racking up a reg. grinder sat down, aggro clown. I got pocket queens again and min raised ($15) knowing he would raise, or call minimum. He raised to 45. I called. flop 7-6-Q, lol. RB, so I check, he fires 100. I call. turn brought a flush draw and a possible made straight. I bet 100, he insta folds, must have thought I hit something, meh? I ws happy the hand ended there, SO often I lose a big one while racking out.Queens have been my friend lately, have made quads with them several time, very strange in live sessions, imo.Run well everyone. Pardon my intrusion, by why are you leading the turn? Link to post Share on other sites
troyomac 0 Posted November 29, 2008 Share Posted November 29, 2008 Yeah, 4-bet should probably be smaller to more readily induce bluffshoves, and because 4-betting smaller is just better in general because it allows you to 4-bet without being committed to a shove.Pre comma kind of contradicts post comma, no? Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted November 29, 2008 Share Posted November 29, 2008 Pre comma kind of contradicts post comma, no?If you have a huge hand, it doesn't matter if you're committed since you're calling anyway, but if you have air, you want to be able to fold. Link to post Share on other sites
troyomac 0 Posted November 29, 2008 Share Posted November 29, 2008 If you have a huge hand, it doesn't matter if you're committed since you're calling anyway, but if you have air, you want to be able to fold.Ohhhhh yeah. Makes sense, thanks Link to post Share on other sites
nutzbuster 7 Posted November 29, 2008 Share Posted November 29, 2008 Pardon my intrusion, by why are you leading the turn?Sort of a pot control/value bet(?) My thought was from what I know of him he is good, and can be (and often is) pretty aggro/bluffy and I hoped he might again raise into what appeared to be my semi weakish bet. If he just calls, that's ok, but I need to be careful that the river doesn't bring another spade (flush) or straight card. If he raises I can come over and crush him. I didn't expect him to fold, that's for sure, but I did doubt my bet after he did.edit: any and all advice is more than welcome! Link to post Share on other sites
RDog 0 Posted November 29, 2008 Share Posted November 29, 2008 Uh......?????Cutoff is Pwnasaurus who I am pretty sure normally plays much higher. Button is 17/14/3 reg.My flat is super strong and cutoff still calls behind, he either has to have 76 or a monster. After both of us flatting, button overbet shoves the turn???Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 6 playersThe Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History ConverterSB: $137.75Hero (BB): $284.25UTG: $113.60MP: $200.00CO: $426.00BTN: $213.90Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BB with 5 5 2 folds, CO raises to $6, BTN calls $6, 1 fold, Hero calls $4Flop: ($19.00) 5 8 K (3 players)Hero checks, CO bets $12, BTN raises to $38, Hero calls $38, CO calls $26Turn: ($133.00) Q (3 players)Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets $169.90 all in, Hero ??? Link to post Share on other sites
Giggidy 0 Posted November 29, 2008 Share Posted November 29, 2008 Uh......?????Cutoff is Pwnasaurus who I am pretty sure normally plays much higher. Button is 17/14/3 reg.My flat is super strong and cutoff still calls behind, he either has to have 76 or a monster. After both of us flatting, button overbet shoves the turn???Tough spothttp://www.bluffmagazine.com/thepokerdb/Pw...yer-profile.asp Nice earnings Link to post Share on other sites
RDog 0 Posted November 30, 2008 Share Posted November 30, 2008 Tough spothttp://www.bluffmagazine.com/thepokerdb/Pw...yer-profile.asp Nice earningsYeah, he is a really good high stakes donkament player but I think he plays higher cash too normally. Link to post Share on other sites
GrinderMJ 0 Posted November 30, 2008 Share Posted November 30, 2008 Sort of a pot control/value bet(?) My thought was from what I know of him he is good, and can be (and often is) pretty aggro/bluffy and I hoped he might again raise into what appeared to be my semi weakish bet. If he just calls, that's ok, but I need to be careful that the river doesn't bring another spade (flush) or straight card. If he raises I can come over and crush him. I didn't expect him to fold, that's for sure, but I did doubt my bet after he did.edit: any and all advice is more than welcome! I def don't have any advice, was asking more for info rather than i know some better line Link to post Share on other sites
Vtlaxer09 4 Posted November 30, 2008 Share Posted November 30, 2008 lol cash gamesthis is 50nl HU, 25nl 6m and a little of 50nl 6m.. the super big downswings are tilt sessions at 50nl and 25nl coupled with running bad at 50nlhu. Makes for a retarded looking graph... but a profitable one nonetheless.+2k or so in donkament earnings and rakeback. Link to post Share on other sites
NoSup4U 0 Posted November 30, 2008 Share Posted November 30, 2008 Sort of a pot control/value bet(?) My thought was from what I know of him he is good, and can be (and often is) pretty aggro/bluffy and I hoped he might again raise into what appeared to be my semi weakish bet. If he just calls, that's ok, but I need to be careful that the river doesn't bring another spade (flush) or straight card. If he raises I can come over and crush him. I didn't expect him to fold, that's for sure, but I did doubt my bet after he did.edit: any and all advice is more than welcome! Pot control is not betting to keep the pot small fyi, so that can't be what you're doing when you bet :)And if you want value, raise the flop. By just calling the flop you're minimizing the value you're going to be able to extract from overpairs or big hands. When you take the line you did, you're losing at least $200 in value vs AA and maybe more depending on how scary the river is for him/you.Mark Link to post Share on other sites
AcesOnFire 0 Posted November 30, 2008 Share Posted November 30, 2008 Pot control is not betting to keep the pot small fyi, so that can't be what you're doing when you bet :)And if you want value, raise the flop. By just calling the flop you're minimizing the value you're going to be able to extract from overpairs or big hands. When you take the line you did, you're losing at least $200 in value vs AA and maybe more depending on how scary the river is for him/you.MarkOr betting to stop a bet on a later street/ a larger bet size from an opponent too? Link to post Share on other sites
NoSup4U 0 Posted November 30, 2008 Share Posted November 30, 2008 Or betting to stop a bet on a later street/ a larger bet size from an opponent too?Thats a blocker bet, and not what you'd want to do here either with top set.Mark Link to post Share on other sites
psujohn 0 Posted November 30, 2008 Share Posted November 30, 2008 Cutoff is Pwnasaurus who I am pretty sure normally plays much higher. Button is 17/14/3 reg.My flat is super strong and cutoff still calls behind, he either has to have 76 or a monster. After both of us flatting, button overbet shoves the turn???There's not a lot I'd call pre and raise this flop. Maybe K8s? But I'm not overbet shoving K8 on this turn.I think CO is about as likely to have AA as KK or 88.Pretty bizarre hand. In real life I say "phuck it" and shove and close my eyes.Pot control is not betting to keep the pot small fyi, so that can't be what you're doing when you bet :)And if you want value, raise the flop. By just calling the flop you're minimizing the value you're going to be able to extract from overpairs or big hands. When you take the line you did, you're losing at least $200 in value vs AA and maybe more depending on how scary the river is for him/you.MarkWell in a NL game we can pot controll with a bet - if we think villain will bet bigger if we check but just call if we bet and perhaps we can get to showdown the most cheaply when we're betting. I guess that's not as much of a factor in the spread limit game because of the 150 max bet size.I'm assuming that the spread limit nature of the game is also important in your comment about missing value since in a normal 100BB buy-in NL game we'd have not problem getting stacks in here without raising on the flop. Link to post Share on other sites
Merby 3 Posted November 30, 2008 Share Posted November 30, 2008 Uh......?????Cutoff is Pwnasaurus who I am pretty sure normally plays much higher. Button is 17/14/3 reg.My flat is super strong and cutoff still calls behind, he either has to have 76 or a monster. After both of us flatting, button overbet shoves the turn???Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 6 playersThe Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History ConverterSB: $137.75Hero (BB): $284.25UTG: $113.60MP: $200.00CO: $426.00BTN: $213.90Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BB with 5 5 2 folds, CO raises to $6, BTN calls $6, 1 fold, Hero calls $4Flop: ($19.00) 5 8 K (3 players)Hero checks, CO bets $12, BTN raises to $38, Hero calls $38, CO calls $26Turn: ($133.00) Q (3 players)Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets $169.90 all in, Hero ???I put him on KQ so that I can call and dominate. Link to post Share on other sites
RDog 0 Posted November 30, 2008 Share Posted November 30, 2008 I put him on KQ so that I can call and dominate.That is one of the hands that Jesse mentioned when I talked to him but both of us agreed that the flop play is very unlikely to be KQ. Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedKills 0 Posted November 30, 2008 Share Posted November 30, 2008 moved from 4 tables to 6 today. Decent session. Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted November 30, 2008 Share Posted November 30, 2008 A9 in BB. Called a raise. Flop is AsAx3s. I check, he bets 1.60, I make it $4. He makes it like 9.60.Easy fold? Link to post Share on other sites
babylondonks 5 Posted November 30, 2008 Share Posted November 30, 2008 A9 in BB. Called a raise. Flop is AsAx3s. I check, he bets 1.60, I make it $4. He makes it like 9.60.Easy fold?stats? stack sizes? what position was the raise from? previous activity at the table? image? reads?Also, I don't like calling the raise with A9 there, it's just going to put us in a bad spot OOP without any idea on a lot of flops. This is basically the best flop we can hope for.Edit: As for the RDog hand, I intially thought KQ; but he wouldn't raise that flop. I think in theory I'd lay this down, so in real life I'd shove this Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted November 30, 2008 Share Posted November 30, 2008 stats? stack sizes? what position was the raise from? previous activity at the table? image? reads?Also, I don't like calling the raise with A9 there, it's just going to put us in a bad spot OOP without any idea on a lot of flops. This is basically the best flop we can hope for.I didn't really have any reads. I don't like the call either, lol. It's a 6max table, but we were only 5 handed at the time, and it turned over recently, so it's relatively new players in the last 10-20 hands maybe. No stats, since I'm on Merge and they don't support PT or anything useful. The HH's aren't even postable or else I'd have been posting hands the past couple months. All that being said, at least I'm up 11 buyins since the stake started without any extra help like that. (I imagine it could probably be more if I put in a decent amount of hands.)But yeah, I kinda hate my play, but it was just one where I didn't want to believe it. So looking for confirmation, lol. Link to post Share on other sites
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