The Czar 0 Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 Do you really want to blame the cops? The laws on the books are what they are required to enforce. I for one would rather know that the cops don't get to pick which laws to enforce and which ones to ignore.You want to complain, complain about the Florida law, not the cops enforcing it.I mean other than giving us President Bush in 2000, what has Florida done positively for America?you forgot the sw. Link to post Share on other sites
SAM_Hard8 50 Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 A regular 5/10 NL game in miami got raided today by FBI. I thought it was a very friendly and close game. Everyone knows eachother and theres prob 20 players max that cycle through it. But tonight the feds came busting through the door. Thank god the game was credit, cause they seized nothing. We were all getting searhced and the guy pulls out 7k from my pocket and my fake i.d which they never even took. THey shut the game down but hey it couldve been a lot worse. Thank God im not in jailWait a minute, why would the FBI raid a poker game? Something smells fishy to me. Link to post Share on other sites
obrien64 0 Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 A 5/10 game?You might have a point if it was like a 25/50 game...since im a poor college kid anything like that seems high to me. all those people with their fancy full time jobs though it might be ok Link to post Share on other sites
NoSup4U 0 Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 You do realize you just compared a group of friends playing cards to drug dealers, right?I think the comparison made was actually the moral laws, gambling vs drug use, not between the people doing each.Mark Link to post Share on other sites
davezz5 0 Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 If they didn't press charges wheres the 7k? Link to post Share on other sites
psujohn 0 Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 Wait, you're all missing the most interesting part. This was a "closed, private" game right? How did law enforcement find out about it? Unless you advertised the game somehow I'm guessing that some sore loser went to the cops and told them his friends were taking his money. If thats the case then find the guy and give him a beating. He's the one who really deserves your scorn. Link to post Share on other sites
FourFlusher 0 Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 Is that a Federal beef? Why the FBI is a better question. There must have been something else, or, a particular person they wanted. I'm hard pressed to believe the FBI gives a rats a$$ about a poker game. Link to post Share on other sites
LongLiveYorke 38 Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 Do you really want to blame the cops? The laws on the books are what they are required to enforce. I for one would rather know that the cops don't get to pick which laws to enforce and which ones to ignore.But this is a totally unrealistic expectation. Obviously some laws and the enforcement of those laws takes priority over others. If a cop sees somebody being murdered and somebody J walking, it's pretty clear which one he should stop. The same principle applies to how a police force with finite time and resources devotes those resources. It would be totally irresponsible to have a police force donate 90% of it's money to going door to door, cracking down on home games while people are being murdered every night.In that scenario, one can't simply shrug their shoulders and say "blame the law, not the police" because surely at some point in the police bureaucracy somebody decided how the priorities of the police should be set. The government has many checks and balances. In this case, the police are akin to the executive branch of government who "checks" the laws by choosing how to enforce laws. The police therefore have a responsibility to prioritize certain laws over others. If they fail to act with sense in their choices to enforce laws, they are as responsible for bad laws as those who wrote them in the first place.And, I’m not going to touch the Florida-Bush thing… ;)Edit: If we're talking about the FBI, which is a part of the federal executive branch of government (if I recall correctly) then my point is only made stronger. Link to post Share on other sites
Jelly-Filled Ace 1 Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 Something smells fishy to me.Very.Someone is day-trippin' old Miami Vice episodes. Link to post Share on other sites
silkyjonson 1 Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 I play in underground games in florida a lot, and I know guys that have connections to pretty much every game in south florida and I have heard about games getting raided although it has been rare it happens usually at the bigger games. About your 7k, Im pretty sure it is standard from what I have heard for the cops to take all the money including the money on the players. On the upside I have heard stories of players getting there money back when they later presented before a judge and were allowed to go home with their money unscathed although it took a while. Im going to a game tonite, and I know the house at this game pretty well so in order to cover my *** im just brining checks. Link to post Share on other sites
nutzbuster 7 Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 Do you really want to blame the cops? The laws on the books are what they are required to enforce. I for one would rather know that the cops don't get to pick which laws to enforce and which ones to ignore.You want to complain, complain about the Florida law, not the cops enforcing it.I mean other than giving us President Bush in 2000, what has Florida done positively for America? Ummm....Astronaut Diapers? Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 Ummm....Astronaut Diapers? I stand corrected Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 But this is a totally unrealistic expectation. Obviously some laws and the enforcement of those laws takes priority over others. Edit: If we're talking about the FBI, which is a part of the federal executive branch of government (if I recall correctly) then my point is only made stronger.You are assuming that the police in this matter decided that looking for a home game was a priority to crime B. I think you would agree that in 99.9% of murders, the police can only react to the crime, only Tom Cruise can prevent the crime.So if they are presented (by the guy who lost his shirt as someone else posted) that there is an illegal game that is going to be played, they are obliged to respond to that knowledge of a crime about to be broken. Or they are suppose too. For you to say that they ignored one crime to focus on this one is based on an assumption that there are non-stop crimes in Florida ( there may be, some of the house colors in South Beach are a crime). If that is the case then I agree they got weird priorities. But I also know cops got to show the colors once in a while to let everyone know that they 'can' be busted for breaking any laws. So they make an example of 2-3 home games, then they ignore them for another 6 months.I am in the "This is a dumb law camp" but since it is a law, law enforcement deserves our support. I have felt this way ever since I quit doing drugs and cut my long hair.And, I’m not going to touch the Florida-Bush thing… wimp. Link to post Share on other sites
TylerSalzman 0 Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 A pool hall in my town in wisconsin used to have 25$ buy in tournaments and a 1/2 NL game would start up afterwards. I had a few good nights there too. First night made 765, and the second night 435. I was meaning to go back there again soon, but just heard that the city came in and shut them down Link to post Share on other sites
LongLiveYorke 38 Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 For you to say that they ignored one crime to focus on this one is based on an assumption that there are non-stop crimes in Florida ( there may be, some of the house colors in South Beach are a crime).You could be right. I live in New York so my perspective is a bit skewed. Here, I know that there are plenty of more serious crimes that the police could be paying attention to (in terms of money, people, time, etc) instead of raiding poker rooms. So, when a poker room gets raided here, it seems quite ridiculous. I'm not sure exactly of how things are where this took place. Link to post Share on other sites
FourFlusher 0 Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 City shuts them down, sure. City cops bust the place, why not. State cops...maybe. FBI? I don't get it...unless like I said there was something else afoot. Link to post Share on other sites
Teck_72 0 Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 A pool hall in my town in wisconsin used to have 25$ buy in tournaments and a 1/2 NL game would start up afterwards. I had a few good nights there too. First night made 765, and the second night 435. I was meaning to go back there again soon, but just heard that the city came in and shut them downwhat town in wisconsin? Link to post Share on other sites
TylerSalzman 0 Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 what town in wisconsin?Madison..... the place was Cuenique... right off of state street Link to post Share on other sites
dbrent2 0 Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 City shuts them down, sure. City cops bust the place, why not. State cops...maybe. FBI? I don't get it...unless like I said there was something else afoot.I agree. Why would the FEDS want in on this? Most likely there was somethng besides poker going on in this place Link to post Share on other sites
PiercE^Bodog 0 Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 Thats so much ****ing bullshit, sorry to hear that man. Link to post Share on other sites
sprfcta 0 Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 "Florida" B of I? Link to post Share on other sites
Jam-Fly 8 Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 There's this guy, Tony Montana I think is his name, and he's this real big drug dealer in Florida. The cops should bust him. Link to post Share on other sites
finztotheleft 0 Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 Trying not to thread-jack, but I must respond about the drugs.The ban of drugs in this country is the same ethics-based law as poker is. It is hypocritical to ban marijuana and allow cigarettes and alcohol just as it is hypocritical to ban poker, but allow horse-racing and bingo halls. Point being is that there would be no criminal drug-trafficking IF these drugs were regulated and sold under the supervision of the government in the same manner of alcohol and cigarettes.Back to the point of the thread.It is horrific that people's tax dollars are used to make busts on poker games. I'm sure if you took a poll of the general populous and the people of this nation actually got to vote, home poker games would be just as legal is Christian bingo halls.It's because there are no marijuana corporations sending lobbyists to Washington Link to post Share on other sites
finztotheleft 0 Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 Will you get o be on COPS ?I'm glad you made it out of there with your money and not being arrested. I would seriously **** in my pants if that ever happened to me ! Link to post Share on other sites
Pot Odds RAC 23 Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 Legally, they could not touch your 7k because 1) it was not on the table or in play 2) they cannot seize cash of under $9999 dollars that is undeclared.Ummm......nope - on both counts......and obviously, judging by many posts to this thread, we need to make a hierarchy of offenses on which Law Enforcement needs to concentrate - never moving on to a lesser offense until ALL activity of a higher nature is completely eradicated. Start with Murder, then Rape, then Child Porn. I should be able to speed (and gamble) at will until those are completely eliminated. Link to post Share on other sites
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